John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[Mikeleelop]

Managers absolutely effect the outcome of the game, it is borderline nonsensical to say so otherwise. They might have lessor impact on games that are decided by 3-4 runs, but for games decided by 1 run, or 2 runs, they have a huge impact

 

Last time I checked Jays were terrible in close games.

 

In the course of the season it evens out.

 

Look at Larussa's career. Did he all of a sudden learn how to manage or did the NYY start spending and build super rosters with dynamic bullpens?

 

Managers may effect a game or two over a season but they don't pitch, they don't hit and they don't catch the ball

[RealAccountant]

In the course of the season it evens out.

 

Look at Larussa's career. Did he all of a sudden learn how to manage or did the NYY start spending and build super rosters with dynamic bullpens?

 

Managers may effect a game or two over a season but they don't pitch, they don't hit and they don't catch the ball

 

No they decide who hits, who pitches and who catches the ball.

[GD]

Not extra wins. No such thing as extra wins.

 

Yes the manager has that much impact. The manager is the one deciding who pitches at what particular time, he is the one deciding to put a DH in left field. According to fangraphs, Colabello has cost us 10 runs by playing lf this season. thats almost 2 games. Isn't that a managerial decision, or does Colabello just wake up and say I am playing left field today and no one can stop me

 

The Jays are winning right now in-spite of Gibbons, because even his total incompetent management cannot hold back this team from achieving success.

 

1. 10 runs is not almost 2 wins. It's 1.08 wins. Mitigated by the rest of his contributions to the team, resulting in 0.2 wins overall. Which will be my second point. Guess Seattle's manager is an idiot for playing Nelson Cruz's -6.7 UZR every day, as if baseball isn't zero-sum. Put down the stats, you haven't read the instruction manual.

2. Who the f*** else is he supposed to play out there in LF? Carrera is replacement level. There's no one else. This team is thin on OF depth and that's not Gibbons' f***ing fault.

 

God, 7-8 games over .500? f***ing delusional.

[RealAccountant]

1. 10 runs is not almost 2 wins. It's 1.08 wins. Mitigated by the rest of his contributions to the team, resulting in 0.2 wins overall. Which will be my second point. Guess Seattle's manager is an idiot for playing Nelson Cruz's -6.7 UZR every day, as if baseball isn't zero-sum. Put down the stats, you haven't read the instruction manual.

2. Who the f*** else is he supposed to play out there in LF? Carrera is replacement level. There's no one else. This team is thin on OF depth and that's not Gibbons' f***ing fault.

 

God, 7-8 games over .500? f***ing delusional.

 

Why dont you just say the truth

 

The truth is that in your attempt to simply the game of baseball, you and those like you have adapted a numbers based system that you can live with, stripping the human element out of the game which you dont understand. The problem is that it takes an understanding of baseball, experience, and careful examinations to understand the subjective element. It takes time and fangraphs to understand numbers. Since the former you can never have, the latter's value you exemplify.

[RealAccountant]

Oh and here is a stat

 

John Gibbons 494 Wins 502 Losses, despite being handed both the current and the previous Gm's best built teams. He has had 3 or 4 teams that were not just capable of going to the playoffs but would have gone to the playoffs under any competent manager.

[GD]

Why dont you just say the truth

 

The truth is that in your attempt to simply the game of baseball, you and those like you have adapted a numbers based system that you can live with, stripping the human element out of the game which you dont understand. The problem is that it takes an understanding of baseball, experience, and careful examinations to understand the subjective element. It takes time and fangraphs to understand numbers. Since the former you can never have, the latter's value you exemplify.

 

What makes you think you have more understanding of baseball than anyone else on this board? The fact is that you don't need numbers to show you're an idiot. Gibbons is rolling with 4 outfielders, 3 of which (Carrera, Colabello, Pillar) have roughly equal levels of talent overall. And you're chiding Gibbons for playing one of them, as if he can magically f***ing conjure up a Trout/Harper/Stanton outfield.

 

You don't even understand that the manager doesn't choose his roster, and YOU'RE preaching to me about "baseball understanding?"

[GD]

Oh and here is a stat

 

Let's be real here. You're just looking at stats because you don't understand the people element of the game.

[RealAccountant]

I'll never forget that game against the Redsox last year after Jays swept Tampa and were just hanging on. In the 8th Gibby used Pompey to pinch run for Goins. And then used Tolleson ad the fielding replacement.

 

Later on Navarro got on and we had no pinch runner. Jays doubled and Navarro could only muster up to get to third

 

Redsox scored in bottom tenth to w

in the game

[awsomest]

The gubberns manager is not a real manager he doesnt understand winning he plays the wrong pitchers and doesnt put in the cluthc hitters, he would be fired in any other profffersion and deserves to be furrreyyyed!!!!! The jays have won 10 games thanks to good players but all those 1 run loses are on jahn gibboobs!!!! if you cant see that you need to read the comment section on tsn they all know how big of a moran bibboons is!!!!!. If the jayus are to make the playoffs they need to trade for at least two aces who can win 20 games and an elite closer who can get saves. Jose needs to stop whining to the umps and be more cluitch like JP arencibia ws.... what happened to JP? must have been ruined by gibson!!! We should hire a manager like mike babcock who knows how to run all 4 lines!! if i were alex Anthopoploopolus I would fyre gibsons and trade reyes and dicket and bautestert for a real winner like papelson!!!!

[43211234]

Do people not realize RealAccountant is a troll? Just use the ignore list.

[LTR]

The gubberns manager is not a real manager he doesnt understand winning he plays the wrong pitchers and doesnt put in the cluthc hitters, he would be fired in any other profffersion and deserves to be furrreyyyed!!!!! The jays have won 10 games thanks to good players but all those 1 run loses are on jahn gibboobs!!!! if you cant see that you need to read the comment section on tsn they all know how big of a moran bibboons is!!!!!. If the jayus are to make the playoffs they need to trade for at least two aces who can win 20 games and an elite closer who can get saves. Jose needs to stop whining to the umps and be more cluitch like JP arencibia ws.... what happened to JP? must have been ruined by gibson!!! We should hire a manager like mike babcock who knows how to run all 4 lines!! if i were alex Anthopoploopolus I would fyre gibsons and trade reyes and dicket and bautestert for a real winner like papelson!!!!

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Oh and here is a stat

 

John Gibbons 494 Wins 502 Losses, despite being handed both the current and the previous Gm's best built teams. He has had 3 or 4 teams that were not just capable of going to the playoffs but would have gone to the playoffs under any competent manager.

 

Not Really True, on paper maybe, in Reality not f***ing likely!

[Deadpool]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/c/c9/HatB_-_Shelbyville_Game.png/revision/latest?cb=20100919201412

 

Mr. Burns: You, Strawberry! Hit a homerun!

 

Strawberry: Sure thing, skip!

 

[homers]

 

Mr. Burns: I told him to do that!

 

Smithers: Brilliant strategy, sir.

[GD]

11 game win streak

 

http://i.imgur.com/dEajp7y.gif

[Deadpool]

11 game win streak

 

http://i.imgur.com/dEajp7y.gif

 

For the record, Gibby is a much better manager than Ron Paul.

[GD]

I have no idea if Deadpool is right.

[ElNik2013]

Jays have won 11 in a row 4 times, Gibbons has been the manager for 2 of them.

[CrackerJack]

Gibby's the man.

[goeb]

I am still of the opinion that him and AA are on the hot seat , its playoffs or bust this year.

[ElNik2013]

I am still of the opinion that him and AA are on the hot seat , its playoffs or bust this year.

 

 

Of course they still are. AA because it's his 6th season as GM and Gibby 'cause that's how it works!

[L54]

I'm buying a Gibbons jersey tomorrow.

[Daniel Labude]

Jays have won 11 in a row 4 times, Gibbons has been the manager for 2 of them.

 

The Blue Jays also have 0 playoff apperences in 2 different stints with Gibby as the manager

[LTR]

Save us prophet shea

 

Uggh

[L54]

Good jobs mods!

[Boxcar]

The Blue Jays also have 0 playoff apperences in 2 different stints with Gibby as the manager

 

This guy is like the perfect caricature of a casual fan

[Spanky__99]

The gubberns manager is not a real manager he doesnt understand winning he plays the wrong pitchers and doesnt put in the cluthc hitters, he would be fired in any other profffersion and deserves to be furrreyyyed!!!!! The jays have won 10 games thanks to good players but all those 1 run loses are on jahn gibboobs!!!! if you cant see that you need to read the comment section on tsn they all know how big of a moran bibboons is!!!!!. If the jayus are to make the playoffs they need to trade for at least two aces who can win 20 games and an elite closer who can get saves. Jose needs to stop whining to the umps and be more cluitch like JP arencibia ws.... what happened to JP? must have been ruined by gibson!!! We should hire a manager like mike babcock who knows how to run all 4 lines!! if i were alex Anthopoploopolus I would fyre gibsons and trade reyes and dicket and bautestert for a real winner like papelson!!!!

 

lol

[GD]

The Blue Jays also have 0 playoff apperences in 2 different stints with Gibby as the manager

 

lol

[ScientificReason]

The gubberns manager is not a real manager he doesnt understand winning he plays the wrong pitchers and doesnt put in the cluthc hitters, he would be fired in any other profffersion and deserves to be furrreyyyed!!!!! The jays have won 10 games thanks to good players but all those 1 run loses are on jahn gibboobs!!!! if you cant see that you need to read the comment section on tsn they all know how big of a moran bibboons is!!!!!. If the jayus are to make the playoffs they need to trade for at least two aces who can win 20 games and an elite closer who can get saves. Jose needs to stop whining to the umps and be more cluitch like JP arencibia ws.... what happened to JP? must have been ruined by gibson!!! We should hire a manager like mike babcock who knows how to run all 4 lines!! if i were alex Anthopoploopolus I would fyre gibsons and trade reyes and dicket and bautestert for a real winner like papelson!!!!

 

WTF I feel like I am taking crazy pills reading this.

[GD]

WTF I feel like I am taking crazy pills reading this.

 

whoosh

[RealAccountant]

This guy is like the perfect caricature of a casual fan

 

Yes how dare he look at the primary objective of an organization to determine its success

 

He should look at noisy deep rooted metrics to determine if an organization is successful