Blue Jays trade DeJong and Locastro to Dodgers for international pool money

[RealAccountant]

What is slot 27 57 and 117

[nmrch]

Actually 1.5 to 1.6 ish would have been the penalty for vald jr. So we saved about 3 to 400 thousand, gave up two players we have been developing and paying already ( money lost) and may be able to sign another player of value or that's good in two years. Yup sounds about right, how could this go wrong? Lol f***ing jays, Scrooge McDuck own this team! Lol

 

The Jays would have been hit with a ~3 million dollar tax if they didn't trade for this slot money. And you got idiots here who think Rogers wouldn't care about that money. We just sold two not insignificant prospects to save some cash, that's the reality, lets just accept it.

[TwistedLogic]

What is slot 27 57 and 117

 

The three slots that the Jays got from the Dodgers ($545,900, $368,700, $249,000).

[nmrch]

Sorry my mistake, the Jays would be spending 3 million over the slot value to sign Guererro before this trade was made, but only half of that is tax. So yeah 1.5 million is right.

[HERPDERP]

Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB 38s39 seconds ago

#BlueJays are receiving $1,071,300 in int'l slot money from the Dodgers in trade for Chase DeJong and infielder Tim Locastro @MLBPipeline

[nmrch]

It's only 100% on overage though, not 300%. They would save exactly the space that they're acquiring, no?

 

The year of no signing limitations is plenty valuable.

 

well maybe i'm just cynical. Guererro is worth a year of signing restrictions but not two? If we're really doing this to remove that one year restriction and that's a really big deal then we're paying a big price for Guererro. Or the 300K signing restriction isn't really a big deal and we're just saving Rogers money.

 

What you think is more likely, based on what's happened in the past couple of years there's really only one right answer

[bronson44]

Please turn into your dad young Vladdy!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

So 2324000 plus 1017000 plus 15 means 3924000 mill we have to spend right!

 

And we signed another player to didn't we so does that not mean we are over the 15 and out still for Two years?

[TwistedLogic]

Sorry my mistake, the Jays would be spending 3 million over the slot value to sign Guererro before this trade was made, but only half of that is tax. So yeah 1.5 million is right.

 

The Blue Jays had a spending cap of $2,324,100. Every dollar above that cap would be taxed at a rate of 100%.

 

The Blue Jays signed Vladimir Guerrero Jr. for $3,900,000. This amount was $1,575,900 over their limit. Taxed at 100%, this put the Guerrero signing at $5,475,900.

 

This also limited the Blue Jays to a max spending of 300K per player in the next two signing periods.

 

Chase DeJong was drafted in 2012, and signed for $860,000. Along with Tim Locastro, he was traded to the Dodgers for $1,071,300 in international cap space.

 

Because all of the cap space they acquired from the Dodgers fell into the 100% tax overage, the Blue Jays actually acquired twice the amount of the slots in actual cash value.

 

All in all, in exchange for DeJong and Locastro, the Blue Jays acquired $2,142,600 in real money from the Dodgers, and reduced their international signings restrictions from two years to one.

 

The Blue Jays did not get an insignificant return in their trade with the Dodgers.

[IronLadle]

Just how good is Vlad Jr? He's only 16, so still 6-7 years away. Was it worth Chase De Jong, Locastro and a one year signing restriction?

[nmrch]

The Blue Jays had a spending cap of $2,324,100. Every dollar above that cap would be taxed at a rate of 100%.

 

The Blue Jays signed Vladimir Guerrero Jr. for $3,900,000. This amount was $1,575,900 over their limit. Taxed at 100%, this put the Guerrero signing at $5,475,900.

 

This also limited the Blue Jays to a max spending of 300K per player in the next two signing periods.

 

Chase DeJong was drafted in 2012, and signed for $860,000. Along with Tim Locastro, he was traded to the Dodgers for $1,071,300 in international cap space.

 

Because all of the cap space they acquired from the Dodgers fell into the 100% tax overage, the Blue Jays actually acquired twice the amount of the slots in actual cash value.

 

All in all, in exchange for DeJong and Locastro, the Blue Jays acquired $2,142,600 in real money from the Dodgers, and reduced their international signings restrictions from two years to one.

 

The Blue Jays did not get an insignificant return in their trade with the Dodgers.

 

Bear with me for a second

 

The Jays would have escaped all penalties if they signed a guy for 3.66 million or less right?

 

You and others are saying a restriction of the 300K signing is a really a big deal and its worth trading real talent for. Fine, lets go with that argument. But that penalty still exists for one year so we're paying kind of a big price for Guererro. Theoretically we could have signed someone that's only slightly less valuable than Guererro and not have any penalties, again you guys are arguing these penalties are really onerous. Trading DeJong and Lacastro to remove one restriction is justifiable but taking on that same restriction to sign Guererro is also suppsosed to make sense? When they could have bought a similar player for only 250K less?

[TwistedLogic]

The Jays would have escaped all penalties if they signed a guy for 3.66 million or less right?

No, they still would have had to make the Dodgers trade.

 

You and others are saying a restriction of the 300K signing is a really a big deal and its worth trading real talent for. Fine, lets go with that argument. But that penalty still exists for one year so we're paying kind of a big price for Guererro. Theoretically we could have signed someone that's only slightly less valuable than Guererro and not have any penalties, again you guys are arguing these penalties are really onerous. Trading DeJong and Lacastro to remove one restriction is justifiable but taking on that same restriction to sign Guererro is also suppsosed to make sense? When they could have bought a similar player for only 250K less?

 

I don't know if you see baseball as a video game, but you can't just slightly reduce a player's value and find a slightly less costly clone. The IFA market is worked on for months, and sometimes years in advance. There's no player like Vlad that you would have gotten for 250K less, and if there were, he'd have likely been tied to another team anyway. I agree that the price they paid for Guerrero was huge, but that's the cost of premium talent on the international market. The Cubs gave Soler a $30M contract when he was 19 years old.

[nmrch]

No, they still would have had to make the Dodgers trade.

 

 

I don't know if you see baseball as a video game, but you can't just slightly reduce a player's value and find a slightly less costly clone. The IFA market is worked on for months, and sometimes years in advance. There's no player like Vlad that you would have gotten for 250K less, and if there were, he'd have likely been tied to another team anyway. I agree that the price they paid for Guerrero was huge, but that's the cost of premium talent on the international market. The Cubs gave Soler a $30M contract when he was 19 years old.

 

Well, we'll agree to disagree, you think we're getting a guy like Guerrero for that price is unprecedented, i don't see it that way. If you think that a theortiical 3.66 million dollar player minus the restriction is so much less valuable than Guerrero than we're just looking at different things, hell even just a 2.3{our slot) million dollar player plus DeJong and Lacastro minus restictions.

[RealAccountant]

Very good chance you guys will never hear of Dejong or Lecastro again

[Laika]

The Blue Jays had a spending cap of $2,324,100. Every dollar above that cap would be taxed at a rate of 100%.

 

The Blue Jays signed Vladimir Guerrero Jr. for $3,900,000. This amount was $1,575,900 over their limit. Taxed at 100%, this put the Guerrero signing at $5,475,900.

 

This also limited the Blue Jays to a max spending of 300K per player in the next two signing periods.

 

Chase DeJong was drafted in 2012, and signed for $860,000. Along with Tim Locastro, he was traded to the Dodgers for $1,071,300 in international cap space.

 

Because all of the cap space they acquired from the Dodgers fell into the 100% tax overage, the Blue Jays actually acquired twice the amount of the slots in actual cash value.

 

All in all, in exchange for DeJong and Locastro, the Blue Jays acquired $2,142,600 in real money from the Dodgers, and reduced their international signings restrictions from two years to one.

 

The Blue Jays did not get an insignificant return in their trade with the Dodgers.

 

I enjoyed your line by line breakdown, and your use of visual emphasis. Nice job.

[nmrch]

Here's the equation

 

Guererro - DeJong - Lacastro + 1 one year penalty vs Guerrero + 2 years penalty vs player X at our slot value

 

We got the worst of both worlds and there are people seriously arguing about this, how is this anything but a mistake. If you think Guererro is an unprecedented prospect then fine but that's the only justification, otherwise this is the greek fat f*** being himself again.

[burlingtonbandit]

Here's the equation

 

Guererro - DeJong - Lacastro + 1 one year penalty vs Guerrero + 2 years penalty vs player X at our slot value

 

We got the worst of both worlds and there are people seriously arguing about this, how is this anything but a mistake. If you think Guererro is an unprecedented prospect then fine but that's the only justification, otherwise this is the greek fat f*** being himself again.

 

He's been one of the best GMs in the draft and IFA, nice try though.

[Laika]

De Jong is repeating Lansing this year so I don't really care that his peripherals look decent. He's 21 in A ball with an 8.0 K/9. He'd have to be 19 or have a K/9 up over 10 for me to care about him.

 

Locastro I won't believe in until he hits in AA.

 

I doubt Toronto misses either player. There's a slim chance that they will, I suppose.

 

It's still sort of depressing though because this trade cements the fact that the team decided to go over slot and incur a year-off penalty in order to sign ONE 16 year old 1B prospect. The earlier rumours were that Toronto was going to "smash" their limit this year and bring in a ton of players. I had always felt like the play should have been to go bananas and bank on the international free agent rules all changing in 2016 anyway. Maybe when the Dodgers missed out on Moncada and became the obvious 2015 bully everything changed.

[Laika]

Here's the equation

 

Guererro - DeJong - Lacastro + 1 one year penalty vs Guerrero + 2 years penalty vs player X at our slot value

We got the worst of both worlds and there are people seriously arguing about this, how is this anything but a mistake. If you think Guererro is an unprecedented prospect then fine but that's the only justification, otherwise this is the greek fat f*** being himself again.

 

This isn't correct though. It's not clear what you mean by "and player X at our slot value"

 

A

Get Guerrero

Take 1 year off in the big name international market

Trade DeJong and Locastro

Get ~$2.1M from LAD for the aforementioned prospects

 

B

Get Guerrero

Take 2 years off in the big name international market

 

It's not like Toronto is producing internal reports that peg DeJong and Locastro as future MLB starters and still making this trade. Obviously the internal reports that management is looking at have the two as relatively weak prospects. It's a scrappy org guy and a potential reliever...

[baubau]

De Jong is repeating Lansing this year so I don't really care that his peripherals look decent. He's 21 in A ball with an 8.0 K/9. He'd have to be 19 or have a K/9 up over 10 for me to care about him.

 

Locastro I won't believe in until he hits in AA.

 

I doubt Toronto misses either player. There's a slim chance that they will, I suppose.

 

It's still sort of depressing though because this trade cements the fact that the team decided to go over slot and incur a year-off penalty in order to sign ONE 16 year old 1B prospect. The earlier rumours were that Toronto was going to "smash" their limit this year and bring in a ton of players. I had always felt like the play should have been to go bananas and bank on the international free agent rules all changing in 2016 anyway. Maybe when the Dodgers missed out on Moncada and became the obvious 2015 bully everything changed.

 

So, to summarize, blame Boston? Damn that Franchise!

[nmrch]

He's been one of the best GMs in the draft and IFA, nice try though.

 

now that the debate's been settled...........

[TwistedLogic]

Here's the equation

 

Guererro - DeJong - Lacastro + 1 one year penalty vs Guerrero + 2 years penalty vs player X at our slot value

 

We got the worst of both worlds and there are people seriously arguing about this, how is this anything but a mistake. If you think Guererro is an unprecedented prospect then fine but that's the only justification, otherwise this is the greek fat f*** being himself again.

 

This thread and your original argument had nothing to do with Guerrero. You said "this trade hasn't done anything other than save Rogers around 2 million dollars" and that's not true.

 

The "equation" is DeJong + Locastro vs 2M cash and an unrestricted IFA signing period in 2017. Many people will say that that's a fair trade.

 

Whether or not Guerrero was worth all of what it cost to acquire him is another debate (a sensible one, but a waste of time, because we won't know the answer for years). This trade with the Dodgers in and of itself was not as bad as you made it out to be. The target here was not to save money for Rogers, the target here was to free themselves of one year of IFA penalties. Any money they saved here will be spent then.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

How much were originally Dejong and Locastro signed for ?

[Atothe]

I really liked Chase De Jong. They better make it worth it.

 

Hahahaha

[FrozenRopes]

This is a brilliant play by AA. Keeps us in the mix next year.

[TheHurl]

It's still sort of depressing though because this trade cements the fact that the team decided to go over slot and incur a year-off penalty in order to sign ONE 16 year old 1B prospect. The earlier rumours were that Toronto was going to "smash" their limit this year and bring in a ton of players. I had always felt like the play should have been to go bananas and bank on the international free agent rules all changing in 2016 anyway. Maybe when the Dodgers missed out on Moncada and became the obvious 2015 bully everything changed.

 

This! It's not like the Dodgers signed all the top 10 IFA's either. I'd love to know if there were other offers put out there (Ang??) or did they just say "well the Dodgers are in play, we're out". Either way this is a good gift for AA to leave for the 2017 GM.

[Angrioter]

This! It's not like the Dodgers signed all the top 10 IFA's either. I'd love to know if there were other offers put out there (Ang??) or did they just say "well the Dodgers are in play, we're out". Either way this is a good gift for AA to leave for the 2017 GM.

 

The Dodgers have spent more than $ 31 millions in this July 2

[TheHurl]

The Dodgers have spent more than $ 31 millions in this July 2

 

Thanks for the math...now tell me if the Jays made any other offers or was this the plan from minute 1.

[Angrioter]

Thanks for the math...now tell me if the Jays made any other offers or was this the plan from minute 1.

 

Most of the Buscones and trainers with whom I spoke, told me that Toronto was going to spend big money, but looks like they were wrong.

[Frenchsoup]

Miley in trouble