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they are way closer in talent than you think

 

id like to hear more arguments about how doubrant is as good as estrada please :P

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id like to hear more arguments about how doubrant is as good as estrada please :P

 

Superior FIP/xFIP, and projected for a superior FIP. Estrada will get more swings and misses, which likely means he'll get more strikeouts, but Doubront has decent enough stuff that he'll probably get his share. His control hasn't even been that bad, and he gets more groundballs than Estrada.

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He said talent...not performance. And in talent, I think he means 'stuff'.

 

and :P means I enjoy reading how worked up some get over inconsequential details

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Anything more and I might prefer throwing that money at Price instead.

 

Seems like a waste to me, frankly.

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I feel like Estrada's having the type of season Esteban Loaiza had in 2003, albeit with fewer starts. Might not amount to much in the future.
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If Estrada continues to pitch as well as he has, would you offer him a QA? It would be a big raise (about 10M), but I think it could be a good gamble; either he signs and you maybe have an overpay, but it's just for one year, or he declines and tries to find a long term deal, and you end up with a high draft pick to help restock the system.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing him back next year, as he's done a good job, but I wonder what he would get on the open market, and if he would be worth it? He seems to be a good candidate for a bad long term contract (ie. Bourne/Swisher, or any number of Twins signings the last couple of years).

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If Estrada continues to pitch as well as he has, would you offer him a QA? It would be a big raise (about 10M), but I think it could be a good gamble; either he signs and you maybe have an overpay, but it's just for one year, or he declines and tries to find a long term deal, and you end up with a high draft pick to help restock the system.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing him back next year, as he's done a good job, but I wonder what he would get on the open market, and if he would be worth it? He seems to be a good candidate for a bad long term contract (ie. Bourne/Swisher, or any number of Twins signings the last couple of years).

 

No. $16+M for Estrada would be completely ridiculous. He'll probably sign for less than that on 2-year deal.

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No. $16+M for Estrada would be completely ridiculous. He'll probably sign for less than that on 2-year deal.

 

That's probably correct, but if someone is dumb enough to sign Michael Cuddyer to a two year deal and lose a draft pick, then perhaps someone is desperate enough for pitching to give up the pick for Estrada? Plus I think he could get a 3 year deal in the $30m range if he continues to perform as well as he has. (Not saying he is worth it, but there is a lot of money in baseball these days...)

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No. $16+M for Estrada would be completely ridiculous. He'll probably sign for less than that on 2-year deal.

 

Would any team even sign him with the draft pick attached? I doubt it

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Would any team even sign him with the draft pick attached? I doubt it

 

See Cuddyer, Michael...crazier things have happened.

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See Cuddyer, Michael...crazier things have happened.

 

That was really surprising. We can't predict what's going to happen but it's really unlikely he gets a QO. Estrada was underrated coming into the season and might get paid accordingly next year so it's probably time to move on.

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2 runs, 3 hits, 6 IP. Not sure what more you want, that's fine.

 

as many walks as strikeouts, and tons of flyballs. That's not a good recipe.

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