General Jays Discussion 2015

[Belliss101]

This road trip sucks. Several off days bunched together as well as a 3 time zone trip in the span of a week.

[Governator]

This road trip sucks. Several off days bunched together as well as a 3 time zone trip in the span of a week.

 

At least they have an off day to try and adjust a bit before playing on the west coast.

[Belliss101]

At least they have an off day to try and adjust a bit before playing on the west coast.

 

I don't pretend to know everything, but I have a buddy who played a high level of ball. He told me that while off days are good, having a bunch come all at once isn't ideal. It has a lot to do with routine, timing, feeling. BOH. I'm just restating what was told to me.

[Governator]

I don't pretend to know everything, but I have a buddy who played a high level of ball. He told me that while off days are good, having a bunch come all at once isn't ideal. It has a lot to do with routine, timing, feeling. BOH. I'm just restating what was told to me.

 

I always assume it would suck more to suffer from jet lag and having to play at a time when you normally are sleeping.

[Belliss101]

I always assume it would suck more to suffer from jet lag and having to play at a time when you normally are sleeping.

 

Yea that's for sure. Conclusion: We're in agreement that this road trip sucks lol.

[Brownie19]

You clearly didn't read my post lol

 

I sure did. You said you don't like him leading off. My point is he's only guaranteed to be the first batter up in an inning once all game. I don't see that as a major concern, seeing as he'll end up leading off an inning hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th somewhat regularly during the course of a season.

 

You then you talked about the "having your best hitter leading off" theory, claiming that's dumb because he isn't the teams best hitter. I explained you have that theory wrong.

[Belliss101]

I sure did. You said you don't like him leading off. My point is he's only guaranteed to be the first batter up in an inning once all game. I don't see that as a major concern, seeing as he'll end up leading off an inning hitting 3rd, 4th or 5th somewhat regularly during the course of a season.

 

You then you talked about the "having your best hitter leading off" theory, claiming that's dumb because he isn't the teams best hitter. I explained you have that theory wrong.

 

My argument had nothing to do with him only being the first batter up in an inning once all game. I'm not sure where you're getting this. My argument also included that even though I don't like him leading off, there is no better option at the moment.

[LTR]

Martin playing injured is hurting this team. wRC+ of 63 since June 23. That's Goins territory.

[LTR]

wRC+ of -9 since end of August........

 

PUT f***ING NAVARRO IN and LET MARTIN HEAL FFS

[HERPDERP]

I told y'all

 

but nooooooooooo people look at his .250 avg and 15 homers and think 'eleeetz'

 

Navarro and Goins are way ahead of Martin at this time.

 

DL Martin, or if you really are desperate to keep him active, swap starts with him and Navarro. Navarro will catch everyone except Dickey.

[Governator]

Yea playing through a hamstring injury will never let it heal. Though to let that heal up could take him out for the season? I guess no one knows of the extent of it but his running last night sure told the story.

[Brownie19]

Martin playing injured is hurting this team. wRC+ of 63 since June 23. That's Goins territory.

 

It certainly appears the injuries are affecting his play; however, I don't think anyone should have expected he was more going to post a wRC+ much higher than 110

[Brownie19]

My argument had nothing to do with him only being the first batter up in an inning once all game. I'm not sure where you're getting this. My argument also included that even though I don't like him leading off, there is no better option at the moment.

 

Good lord. You said you don't want him leading off.....my point is the "lead off" position is poorly named as the teams' first batter is only guaranteed to "lead off" one inning a game, which is no big deal. People should view the 1st hitter in the lineup as one of your better hitters who you want getting more at bats than you're s***** hitters (ie, Revere).

 

You shouldn't be concerned (to the point you say you don't want him there) with Tulo hitting 1st in the Jays lineup. That's the point. I'm done.

[Trouba95]

The rest of this road trip has me worried. Team looks tired and I can't remember the last time we played well in Anaheim. Could be out of the playoffs by the end of the trip if we falter. Hope I'm wrong.

[LTR]

Offense has been s***.

[G-Snarls]

The rest of this road trip has me worried. Team looks tired and I can't remember the last time we played well in Anaheim. Could be out of the playoffs by the end of the trip if we falter. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Trouba95]

 

Well, it is a Toronto thing so it wouldn't surprise.

[BTS]

It's going to be pretty difficult to not at least make the WC game, and if they do there's a decent chance they face someone like Chris Tillman or Ubaldo. The playoffs will be easy to make.

[Nightmaul]

It's going to be pretty difficult to not at least make the WC game, and if they do there's a decent chance they face someone like Chris Tillman or Ubaldo. The playoffs will be easy to make.

 

It's not that difficult at all... they only have to lose 3 or so more games than the O's and they're out.

[TwistedLogic]

It was painful to watch Martin run to first in the 9th. I'd be inclined to give him a couple of days off.

Martin playing injured is hurting this team. wRC+ of 63 since June 23. That's Goins territory.

I told y'all

 

but nooooooooooo people look at his .250 avg and 15 homers and think 'eleeetz'

 

Navarro and Goins are way ahead of Martin at this time.

 

DL Martin, or if you really are desperate to keep him active, swap starts with him and Navarro. Navarro will catch everyone except Dickey.

John Gibbons is the f***ing worst.

[G-Snarls]

John Gibbons is the f***ing worst.

 

Gibby's post game interview last night was pretty painful

 

I'm with Zaun - Navarro should have been catching Buerhle yesterday

[jaysfan2014]

The rest of this road trip has me worried. Team looks tired and I can't remember the last time we played well in Anaheim. Could be out of the playoffs by the end of the trip if we falter. Hope I'm wrong.

 

Oh be quiet. Angels are in a similar boat as the Jays. Except that the Angels cannot score.. they cannot continue to expect their pitching to dominate their opposition. The Angels are just trying to hold off surging Baltimore and Texas, who are threatening to kill L.A.'s postseason hopes. And the Texas series.. Rangers are not a shoo-in. Their pitching is still bad, and Hamels/Gallardo are not expected to pitch in the Jays series.

[Trouba95]

Gibby is not the man for this job.

[LTR]

Baseball requires such a high level of talent, not being at 100% is a huge crutch and can have serious repercussions to individual performance that carry over to the team. You see it all the time. You need to put the healthy player in.

[LTR]

Martin is SLGing .111 in August.

 

That is not a typo.

[Olerud363]

Well, it is a Toronto thing so it wouldn't surprise.

 

wouldn't surprise me either. not because it's Toronto... just because it's baseball. It's so random.

 

It's frustrating to me. I thought the AA era would lead to a young core that would be good for 5 years... long enough for luck to even out.

 

Instead he just kept trading prospects for high level talent until a critical mass was reached... and I agree it is a really great team right now.

 

If you could have these players 5 years it would be great... but Price is gone after the years, Bautista, EE and even Martin look old...

 

It's like the core will only be together for 50 games.... and luck can hit either way.

[LTR]

wouldn't surprise me either. not because it's Toronto... just because it's baseball. It's so random.

 

It's frustrating to me. I thought the AA era would lead to a young core that would be good for 5 years... long enough for luck to even out.

 

Instead he just kept trading prospects for high level talent until a critical mass was reached... and I agree it is a really great team right now.

 

If you could have these players 5 years it would be great... but Price is gone after the years, Bautista, EE and even Martin look old...

 

It's like the core will only be together for 50 games.... and luck can hit either way.

 

Great offense, not great team.

[BTS]

wouldn't surprise me either. not because it's Toronto... just because it's baseball. It's so random.

 

It's frustrating to me. I thought the AA era would lead to a young core that would be good for 5 years... long enough for luck to even out.

 

Instead he just kept trading prospects for high level talent until a critical mass was reached... and I agree it is a really great team right now.

 

If you could have these players 5 years it would be great... but Price is gone after the years, Bautista, EE and even Martin look old...

 

It's like the core will only be together for 50 games.... and luck can hit either way.

 

Yeah. It is a legitimately excellent team. But excellent teams often need more than one kick at the can to win. Most never do.

[BTS]

Great offense, not great team.

 

Top-notch bullpen, above-average rotation, and plus defense everywhere. The team is very, very good.

[TRM]

Great offense, not great team.

 

This is fundamentally wrong.