General Jays Discussion 2015

[LTR]

SIERA was 3rd best last I checked. Which is important because a guy like Osuna is underrated by it.

 

You're right, that's amazing...

[LTR]

This is why ERA is dumb especially for relievers. Cecil has a couple bad outings and his ERA is approaching 6. Could really happen to any reliever obviously. But Cecil has a history of tipping his pitches. Could be an issue again.

 

It's only dumb if you're using it to evaluate a player.

 

Also, I think we're well beyond the need to even discuss this here.

[DuckDuckGose]

4.41 xFIP in June

 

If you take out his one bad outing against BOS he's been pretty dominant in June. 8.4k/9, 3.7 bb/9, 2.11 ERA (too lazy to figure out his FIP), averaging 5.2 IP per start.

 

I hate to cherry pick stats like that but there is quite a bit there to believe Hutch is turning the corner.

[DuckDuckGose]

none are elite individually although a case can be made for osuna and sanchez is he performs like last year out of the 'pen. cecil is an elite reliever when he is on, have not seen it yet this year. but this would be a very deep 'pen. would have no plm using any of the 7 in high leverage situations.

 

Elite relievers dominate year over year. No one in the Jays BP can boast that and none of them should be considered in that light.

[LTR]

If you take out his one bad outing against BOS he's been pretty dominant in June. 8.4k/9, 3.7 bb/9, 2.11 ERA (too lazy to figure out his FIP), averaging 5.2 IP per start.

 

I hate to cherry pick stats like that but there is quite a bit there to believe Hutch is turning the corner.

 

Hutch is great when he's great but even the eye-test tells you he can be bi-polar (like Morrow)... so I think cherry-picking stats is wrong (he's not the same pitcher each time out). But maybe he'll get more consistent over time...

[RealAccountant]

This is why ERA is dumb especially for relievers. Cecil has a couple bad outings and his ERA is approaching 6. Could really happen to any reliever obviously. But Cecil has a history of tipping his pitches. Could be an issue again.

 

They don't respect his fastball so he has to use the curve too much. The lefties can see the curve coming

[RealAccountant]

If Colabello continues to rake in one month dies he become an asset that a rebuilding team like the Reds or Phillies might go for. Can he be moved for a useful reliever

[DuckDuckGose]

Hutch is great when he's great but even the eye-test tells you he can be bi-polar (like Morrow)... so I think cherry-picking stats is wrong (he's not the same pitcher each time out). But maybe he'll get more consistent over time...

 

That's the difference between a mid-rotation guy and a 1 or 2 starter. If Hutch brought his best stuff every day he'd be a legit ace. Going to have to live with the occasional bad outing with him.

[Jimcanuck]

That's the difference between a mid-rotation guy and a 1 or 2 starter. If Hutch brought his best stuff every day he'd be a legit ace. Going to have to live with the occasional bad outing with him.

 

In the off season I compared Hutch to Jim Clancy. Solid mid rotation guy for years.

[DuckDuckGose]

I'd be pretty happy with a Clancy-type of career from Hutch.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

none are elite individually although a case can be made for osuna and sanchez is he performs like last year out of the 'pen. cecil is an elite reliever when he is on, have not seen it yet this year. but this would be a very deep 'pen. would have no plm using any of the 7 in high leverage situations.

 

Huh so we wait for Cecil to improve on the big stage and lose games for it, yup Cecil and loup have been great in high leverage situations so far! Lol

[KingKat]

I'd be pretty happy with a Clancy-type of career from Hutch.

 

I noticed the other day that Clancy if 5th all time in accumulated WAR as a Blue Jays pitchers though it should be said that 4th (Hentgen) and 5th combined accumulated less WAR combined than the numer one pitcher (Stieb).

Edited June 23, 2015 by KingKat

[Jimcanuck]

Huh so we wait for Cecil to improve on the big stage and lose games for it, yup Cecil and loup have been great in high leverage situations so far! Lol

 

with those 7 it would be closer by committee

[Jimcanuck]

I noticed the other day that Clancy if 5th all time in accumulated WAR as a Blue Jays pitche though it should be said that 4th (Hentgen) and 5th combined accumulated less WAR combined than the numer one pitcher (Stieb).

 

Clancy was durable, and consistent results. WAR is a counting stat.

[HERPDERP]

Osuna's 11 whiffs

 

http://www.bluejayhunter.com/2015/06/video-roberto-osuna-11-swinging-strikes.html

[DuckDuckGose]

If Hutch could put up +200IP and b/w 2 and 4 WAR consistently I think we'd all take that!

 

Out of curiosity how many people here would move Hutch 1 for 1 for Cueto as a rental?

[RealAccountant]

If Hutch could put up +200IP and b/w 2 and 4 WAR consistently I think we'd all take that!

 

Out of curiosity how many people here would move Hutch 1 for 1 for Cueto as a rental?

 

Reds wouldn't I would

[Jimcanuck]

If Hutch could put up +200IP and b/w 2 and 4 WAR consistently I think we'd all take that!

 

Out of curiosity how many people here would move Hutch 1 for 1 for Cueto as a rental?

 

Not a chance

[GD]

If Hutch could put up +200IP and b/w 2 and 4 WAR consistently I think we'd all take that!

 

Out of curiosity how many people here would move Hutch 1 for 1 for Cueto as a rental?

 

gross

[Smokey]

If Hutch could put up +200IP and b/w 2 and 4 WAR consistently I think we'd all take that!

 

Out of curiosity how many people here would move Hutch 1 for 1 for Cueto as a rental?

 

I think you forgot to login to your BBBB account

[DuckDuckGose]

Reds wouldn't I would

 

I think they are holding out for an elite prospect but don't think they will get it. I;d rather have Hutch than a second tier prospect but maybe that's just me.

[DuckDuckGose]

I think you forgot to login to your BBBB account

 

I don't know what BBBB is! That being said I don't know if I pulled the trigger, figured I'd ask here and form an opinion afterwards

[KingKat]

Clancy was durable, and consistent results. WAR is a counting stat.

 

He also pitched a ton of innings. Second only to Stieb in that category.

[Sammy225]

I think if we trade Hutch we will regret it in a year or 2.

[o2cui2i]

He also pitched a ton of innings. Second only to Stieb in that category.

 

Hutch needs to get things going. He needs to be going into the 6th and 7th, not 2-5 innings.

 

it would be nice if AA could get another quality starter into the fold so our pen gets a lot less innings.

[pickoff22]

I think if we trade Hutch we will regret it in a year or 2.

 

That's possible. To me, Hutch is a great piece in a potential Hamels trade. Philly would be happy with a low cost, MLB ready starter for the same # of years as Hamels has left on his contract. And he likely transitions well to the NL.

[RealAccountant]

Hutch's fip is almost the same last year

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

with those 7 it would be closer by committee

 

Was it not closer by committee and un defined roles that didn't work earlier already? Been there done that! Lol

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I think you forgot to login to your BBBB account

 

Smokey f*** you and suck my Cock, f***ing loser drop dead!

[DuckDuckGose]

I think if we trade Hutch we will regret it in a year or 2.

 

Only if they don't make it far in the playoffs. I'd trade anyone on this roster for a crack at the WS.