Kevin Pillar

[Olerud363]

Funny, I read here earlier this season that Pillar > Gardner.

 

I guess that take was too hot.

 

 

That would only rank as the second stupidest thing I've seen on the board this year. Another guy said KC has finally proven Billy Beane and the on base percentage crap wrong.

 

(cough KC has the 2nd highest on base percentage in the AL. cough)

[BigCecil]

Yeah. The real issue here is going into the season with one major league outfielder. Saunders was hurt in February. They had 5 weeks to find a solution, and as usual, were completely ineffective. Even before the Saunders injury the board was complaining that this OF was paper thin and were an injury away from being a complete clusterf***.

 

Clearly...but oh that Pillar is "just a ball player. he is a winner".

 

IMO Saunders is/was very over rated even before latest injury. We gave a rookie a 20 game probation in a critical position before dumping him...Jose hurt his arm and now we are completely f***ed.

 

AA should have been backfilling with some credible above replacement level talent when Saunders went down or even when he came back the 1st time. It was obvious he wasn't right.

 

This season is 2013 level painful. Who needs Melky or Gose? I keep waiting for Gose regression at the plate...putting up 1.4 WAR.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Dickerson maybe?

 

Might be an ok option, or Carrera in CF. Talk about reaching to the bottom of the garbage bin.

 

The problem is quite clear and it is that they had no money in the off-season. Like someone suggested DeJesus would have been great right now but he's not really a CF so you're paying 5 million for a guy who is likely a 4th OF. Starting pitching was a problem even with a healthy Stroman and even a guy like Jason Hammel would have been a great fit. But instead they were forced to give Pompey a look and shed a bit of payroll where they could so they could sign the message board darling Russell Martin.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Clearly...but oh that Pillar is "just a ball player. he is a winner".

 

IMO Saunders is/was very over rated even before latest injury. We gave a rookie a 20 game probation in a critical position before dumping him...Jose hurt his arm and now we are completely f***ed.

 

AA should have been backfilling with some credible above replacement level talent when Saunders went down or even when he came back the 1st time. It was obvious he wasn't right.

 

This season is 2013 level painful. Who needs Melky or Gose? I keep waiting for Gose regression at the plate...putting up 1.4 WAR.

 

I hear you about almost everything. But man, I'm old (46) and have been a Jays fan forever. There was nothing more painful than that 2013 season. This season isn't pleasant, but that year was historically painful. I almost wanted to switch my allegiance to the Orioles just to be done with the pain.

 

Oh, about Pillar. I really like him as a 4th outfielder. But no more than that. I think way more highly of him now than I did after last season, that's for sure.

 

The Gose/Travis trade is looking win/win right now. Kind of a nice surprise.

[BTS]

Clearly...but oh that Pillar is "just a ball player. he is a winner".

 

IMO Saunders is/was very over rated even before latest injury. We gave a rookie a 20 game probation in a critical position before dumping him...Jose hurt his arm and now we are completely f***ed.

 

AA should have been backfilling with some credible above replacement level talent when Saunders went down or even when he came back the 1st time. It was obvious he wasn't right.

 

This season is 2013 level painful. Who needs Melky or Gose? I keep waiting for Gose regression at the plate...putting up 1.4 WAR.

 

I don't think there will be much of a regression with Gose as far as fWAR is concerned. He's obviously not going to sustain the 0.471 BABIP, but he's also not the -17 run defender UZR has him at this year. He's a useful player.

[BTS]

Name the options.

 

Also, without Travis, some other poster would be complaining about 2b. I always liked Gose but Travis has put up. Oh and Melky Cabrera hasn't been very good this year, in case you haven't checked.

 

 

Team shouldn't have sent down Pompey after 20 odd games. I think it had something to do with his body language and some other stupid reasons.

 

In the offseason:

 

David DeJesus (widely rumoured to be available throughout March)

Nori Aoki

Colby Rasmus

Will Venable

Seth Smith

 

I dunno, there's pretty much an endless supply of below-average LH outfielders available, you just might have to pay a few million $. After Gose was traded, one should have been acquired. You can't start a season with two possible replacement-level outfielders on the team and nobody in AAA. Well you can, but teams that do that aren't usually all that concerned about their win total.

[Atothe]

Now that he isn't robbing home runs and making improbable catches he's back to fourth outfielder status. I think the majority knew he couldn't hit.

[King]

Funny how his bat was his carrying tool throughout the minor leagues, now in the MLB his defense is the only thing keeping him above water

[ElNik2013]

In the offseason:

 

David DeJesus (widely rumoured to be available throughout March)

Nori Aoki

Colby Rasmus

Will Venable

Seth Smith

 

I dunno, there's pretty much an endless supply of below-average LH outfielders available, you just might have to pay a few million $. After Gose was traded, one should have been acquired. You can't start a season with two possible replacement-level outfielders on the team and nobody in AAA. Well you can, but teams that do that aren't usually all that concerned about their win total.

 

 

No issues with your post regarding the offseason. However, Big Cecil said, "AA should have been backfilling with some credible above replacement level talent when Saunders went down or even when he came back the 1st time. It was obvious he wasn't right."

 

 

He also mentioned Melky Cabrera who's not doing very well and would've cost a 3-4 year deal.

 

 

That's what I was referring to, entire post didn't seem too bright to me...not to suggest that I'm all that bright!

[TheHurl]

Of the top 15 CF's in baseball right now by fWAR...the Jays had 3 of them in their org during AA's tenure.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

So when I was mocked for saying in the off season for saying we should take a flyer on Suzuki or Denorfia for added depth

Ain't looking so bad now! FYSMC lol

 

Either for under 3 mill would look pretty good about now.

[Angrioter]

Kei Pi update

.228/.261/.317 and 56 wRC+

[BigCecil]

No issues with your post regarding the offseason. However, Big Cecil said, "AA should have been backfilling with some credible above replacement level talent when Saunders went down or even when he came back the 1st time. It was obvious he wasn't right."

 

 

He also mentioned Melky Cabrera who's not doing very well and would've cost a 3-4 year deal.

 

That's what I was referring to, entire post didn't seem too bright to me...not to suggest that I'm all that bright!

 

I didn't want to sign Melky on 4 year either. I mentioned him and Gose (happy with Travis) because lost a lot of depth along with Rasmus and I think when Saunders went down in the spring we should backfilled Saunders from a fairly long list of decent MLB talent available. I doubt TB would let Dejesus go now, as one example, but it was rumoured he was on the available in the spring.

[goeb]

He's atrocious at the plate.....A weak spot in the lineup if there ever was one.

 

AA gambled on Pompey and lost (he gambles quite a bit though, might need some therapy there )

[BigCecil]

I hear you about almost everything. But man, I'm old (46) and have been a Jays fan forever. There was nothing more painful than that 2013 season. This season isn't pleasant, but that year was historically painful. I almost wanted to switch my allegiance to the Orioles just to be done with the pain.

 

Oh, about Pillar. I really like him as a 4th outfielder. But no more than that. I think way more highly of him now than I did after last season, that's for sure.

 

The Gose/Travis trade is looking win/win right now. Kind of a nice surprise.

 

Agree. Pillar is a good 4th OF asset. I just think Saunders is over rated.

[S33n]

Pillar playing the entire outfield today

[Spanky99]

Agree. Pillar is a good 4th OF asset. I just think Saunders is over rated.

 

No he wasn't overrated, now with this sprinkler mishap, this remains to be seen. I'd do that trade, it was a good move. Us being thin is on AA. He did sign Carrera, Dickerson, etc, but you can't get FT players as depth.

[o2cui2i]

Of the top 15 CF's in baseball right now by fWAR...the Jays had 3 of them in their org during AA's tenure.

 

 

we had a top rank catcher that we gave away as well.

[BigCecil]

No he wasn't overrated, now with this sprinkler mishap, this remains to be seen. I'd do that trade, it was a good move. Us being thin is on AA. He did sign Carrera, Dickerson, etc, but you can't get FT players as depth.

 

I know a lot of guys loved the Happ deal. Happ was supposed to pitch better in Seattle and Saunders was for 2 years and he was supposed to hit more at Rogers. Makes sense.

 

But before the sprinkler Saunders was a chandelier with a .680 OPS. After the sprinkler not making a move was dumb. Given we had a rookie in CF they gave 20 games and Pillar.

[o2cui2i]

I know a lot of guys loved the Happ deal. Happ was supposed to pitch better in Seattle and Saunders was for 2 years and he was supposed to hit more at Rogers. Makes sense.

 

But before the sprinkler Saunders was a chandelier with a .680 OPS. After the sprinkler not making a move was dumb. Given we had a rookie in CF they gave 20 games and Pillar.

 

It just felt like AA sat in the corner crying after the Stroman injury.

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gfitpUhTRjM/UnwsnAWJO9I/AAAAAAAAAi8/fgkrJ7_SW3Q/s1600/anxiety.gif

[Spanky99]

I know a lot of guys loved the Happ deal. Happ was supposed to pitch better in Seattle and Saunders was for 2 years and he was supposed to hit more at Rogers. Makes sense.

 

But before the sprinkler Saunders was a chandelier with a .680 OPS. After the sprinkler not making a move was dumb. Given we had a rookie in CF they gave 20 games and Pillar.

 

Pompey should've never been demoted, IMO. As for that trade, we'll still win in regards to fWAR and salary flexibility. This club is hurting solely by SP, yet as I've noted, they're pitching much better. Having Valencia/Tolleson on this squad is redundant, but having Valencia and Colabello in the OF is a joke. AA tried to upgrade the SP as noted recently with Hamels in the winter and did with the OF in regards to Saunders, now, we're f***ed by idiotic FO decisions to not have at the very least Pompey and Pillar in the OF, heck, we've just lost 2 of the past 3 games because of infielders in the OF? Solely on AA's shoulders, idiotic moves by desperation for bats, when bats aren't our problem.

 

*I hope that made sense, I'm deeply into the suds*

 

P.S. West and Guilmet, should be on our 25 man, that whole Osuna and Castro thing was a load of shite!

 

P.S.S. Happ gets destroyed in our division, period. The huge parks in the Central help, alot.

[BigCecil]

Pompey should've never been demoted, IMO. As for that trade, we'll still win in regards to fWAR and salary flexibility. This club is hurting solely by SP, yet as I've noted, they're pitching much better. Having Valencia/Tolleson on this squad is redundant, but having Valencia and Colabello in the OF is a joke. AA tried to upgrade the SP as noted recently with Hamels in the winter and did with the OF in regards to Saunders, now, we're f***ed by idiotic FO decisions to not have at the very least Pompey and Pillar in the OF, heck, we've just lost 2 of the past 3 games because of infielders in the OF? Solely on AA's shoulders, idiotic moves by desperation for bats, when bats aren't our problem.

 

*I hope that made sense, I'm deeply into the suds*

 

P.S. West and Guilmet, should be on our 25 man, that whole Osuna and Castro thing was a load of shite!

 

P.S.S. Happ gets destroyed in our division, period. The huge parks in the Central help, alot.

 

 

lol...reminds me of Gabby on Blazing Saddles with "Authentic Frontier gibberish"

 

 

It actually makes sense though...agree on Pompey. Was just brutal to bring the kid up...hand him a premium job and then duff him after 20 games looking at our OF D now.

 

This has been a brutal skid. We can't be this bad...can we? The frustrating thing is we are finally pitching better.

[BigCecil]

No issues with your post regarding the offseason. However, Big Cecil said, "AA should have been backfilling with some credible above replacement level talent when Saunders went down or even when he came back the 1st time. It was obvious he wasn't right."

 

 

He also mentioned Melky Cabrera who's not doing very well and would've cost a 3-4 year deal.

 

 

That's what I was referring to, entire post didn't seem too bright to me...not to suggest that I'm all that bright!

 

Its appropriate to not infer that you are bright.

[ElNik2013]

Its appropriate to not infer that you are bright.

 

As true as this might be, haha, please name the "credible above replacement level talent" that was available "when Saunders went down or even when he came back the 1st time".

 

During the offseason? Yes, legit criticism, but not "when" Saunders went down or "when he came back the 1st time".

 

Seems even less bright than me, as impossible as that may sound.

[baubau]

Kei Pi update

.228/.261/.317 and 56 wRC+

 

.224/.257/.312 and 53 wRC+ after today's game actually. .268 BABIP and sitting at a awesome 0.1 WAR. So happy he's the everyday outfielder. // sarcasm //

One thing Pillar has improved on this year is the strike outs. He is at 16.5% K this year compared to 23% K last. Still can't hit ..

Edited May 24, 2015 by baubau

[BigCecil]

As true as this might be, haha, please name the "credible above replacement level talent" that was available "when Saunders went down or even when he came back the 1st time".

 

During the offseason? Yes, legit criticism, but not "when" Saunders went down or "when he came back the 1st time".

 

Seems even less bright than me, as impossible as that may sound.

 

Saunders went down from the sprinkler was when? Feb? Are you saying that he couldn't have made a move since then when we had a rookie CF (who they punted after 20 games - btw watching Betts struggle 40 games in but still there), Jose and Pillar? We were too thin after losing Melky, Gose and Rasmus. I already named Dejesus and others have mentioned others.

 

When we lost Saunders again during the season after he played a handful of games where he clearly was hurt....hopefully AA was/is trying to make a move. I'm not sure who is available now with the season full on (much harder - agree). Look at our OF D now. Painful.

[ElNik2013]

Saunders went down from the sprinkler was when? Feb? Are you saying that he couldn't have made a move since then when we had a rookie CF (who they punted after 20 games - btw watching Betts struggle 40 games in but still there), Jose and Pillar? We were too thin after losing Melky, Gose and Rasmus. I already named Dejesus and others have mentioned others.

 

When we lost Saunders again during the season after he played a handful of games where he clearly was hurt....hopefully AA was/is trying to make a move. I'm not sure who is available now with the season full on (much harder - agree). Look at our OF D now. Painful.

 

Saunders went down, but was expected back in mid to late April. I do agree that they needed more OF depth during offseason, but not sure how much better a player than Carrera or Dickerson they could've signed at bargain prices.

 

I was in the camp that was against sending Pompey down after 23 games.

 

We'll see what happens...

[BigCecil]

Saunders went down, but was expected back in mid to late April. I do agree that they needed more OF depth during offseason, but not sure how much better a player than Carrera or Dickerson they could've signed at bargain prices.

 

I was in the camp that was against sending Pompey down after 23 games.

 

We'll see what happens...

 

Yup and f*** bargain prices...im sick of Rogers being half pregnant on this team since the payroll leap legacy of the MIA deal. Saunders just has that DL resume (the sprinkler head was freak).

 

JD deal looks good. We had to sign Martin steep after the JPA-Navarro-Gomes trilogy played out not in our favour. Martin has been excellent. Travis may finally address our post Hill 2nd hole.

 

IF we are trying to win while we still have Edwin and Jose under contract we cant keep going about it like we are. We needed more OF and arm depth. In AAs defense, Stro was a blow but injuries are just part of the game.

 

Pompey is not playing his way back in Buff, but sending him down didn't make sense to me. Bosox are letting Betts play through his growth.