Trading Bautista and/or Encarnacion

[CrackerJack]

It's May 4. Go for the playoffs this year (and next.) Keep the big boppers. But gotta add a legit starter. Doubt that Hutch/Dickey/Buehrle will continue being so bad. The A.L. East is up for grabs. Prime Donaldson ... very valuable Martin ... ROY kind of start to the season by Travis ... with the elite bats of EE & Bautista ... don't wave the white flag.

[BigCecil]

Ervin Santana, Andrew Miller and David Robertson sure would have helped our rotation....awesome.

 

Would any of the + arms FAs come to TOR? If they thought we could win and paid a premium maybe.

 

Our on signing them was hangover $ commitments from MIA deal, big signing on Martin (and still paying Navarro after trading Gomes) and Rogers then turning off the tap.

[HERPDERP]

Would any of the + arms FAs come to TOR? If they thought we could win and paid a premium maybe.

 

Our on signing them was hangover $ commitments from MIA deal, big signing on Martin (and still paying Navarro after trading Gomes) and Rogers then turning off the tap.

 

We should've paid a premium anyway.

 

AA surely recognized that we have a window closing with our current team (1-2 years). If you had to pick a time to overspend and push that bullpen over the hump, this offseason was the time to do it.

[NorthOf49]

We should've paid a premium anyway.

 

AA surely recognized that we have a window closing with our current team (1-2 years). If you had to pick a time to overspend and push that bullpen over the hump, this offseason was the time to do it.

The Padres paid an absolutely absurd price to acquire Craig Kimbrel and their bullpen has been worth an amazing -0.8 fWAR so far, far and away last in the Majors. Boston has spent a lot of money recently on relievers and they sit 29th. The Dodgers spent the offseason getting rid of the relievers they overspent on and acquiring cheap hard-throwing arms, and are crushing every other bullpen in effectiveness. There's no surefire way to build a bullpen quickly.

 

I wanted to sign a couple Jason Grilli types too or maybe splurge on Gregerson, but the Blue Jays decision not to do that is not the sole determinant of anything. They've blown up in an uncharacteristically high number of high-leverage spots and will not continue to do so.

Edited May 4, 2015 by NorthOf49

[GD]

This isn't MLB 2015. Leaves LA with no CFer and EE or Gonzo as a bench bat. Obviously from the Jays perspective, that would be an awesome return....I mean how amazing would it to have any one of those 3? But it's just not happening.

 

Dodgers need pitching with Ryu and McCarthy hurt (just like AA, the Zaidi is a piss poor GM who didn't sign multiple stud veteran FA pitchers to serve as their 6th and 7th starter).

 

C Grandal

1B EE

2B Kendrick

SS Rollins

3B Uribe

CF Ethier/van Slyke

LF Bautista/Gonzalez

RF Gonzalez/Bautista

 

IIRC, Gonzalez can play RF and Ethier/van Slyke can play CF. But Bautista/EE are the kinds of players you make room for

[HERPDERP]

The Padres paid an absolutely absurd price to acquire Craig Kimbrel and their bullpen has been worth an amazing -0.8 fWAR so far, far and away last in the Majors. Boston has spent a lot of money recently on relievers and they sit 29th. The Dodgers spent the offseason getting rid of the relievers they overspent on and acquiring cheap hard-throwing arms, and are crushing every other bullpen in effectiveness. There's no surefire way to build a bullpen quickly.

 

I wanted to sign a couple Jason Grilli types too or maybe splurge on Gregerson, but the Blue Jays decision not to do that is not the sole determinant of anything. They've blown up in an uncharacteristically high number of high-leverage spots and will not continue to do so.

 

Tried hard to think of a retort, and couldn't think of a good one. So you got me there

[Gorlak]

I don't think it's early, cause really it isn't just about this season. I've been thinking about when the best time to move Bautista is for 2-3 seasons now. He's not getting younger...his value isn't getting higher...and it doesn't feel like the pitching is gonna be there for another 2 seasons (unless they spend more money for help now...which they won't).

 

I'm very open to the idea of maximizing some of our aging assets to bring in some younger talent...and hopefully this lines up with when our young pitching starts pitching consistently.

 

They will start to lose trade value after this deadline due to contract length, but will get a good return even next season at the break. I wonder if AA is considering trading one for a pitcher, similar to the Lester/Cespedes deal. With Donaldson they don't really need both.

[Zaun of the Dead]

I would trade edwin first. bautista seems to like playing in toronto and I would like to see him retire a jay if possible.

[SAAviour]

I would trade Edwin for a legit pitcher. Maybe for Cueto in a 3 way. But I wouldn't rebuild.....yet.

Let Smoak play first, rotate DH...and have an ace to rely on.

[Jimcanuck]

looking around the league the one team that stands out is the Rays... they have david dejesus in the DH role and starting pitching to spare

 

ee to the rays for pitching not impossible, makes some sense to both teams especially when Cobb and Moore are ready to go again

[JFD]

trade the bums

[TilsonBritoFan]

You're forgetting about Robinson Travis.

 

But yes I agree. This lineup needs to be rebuilt to match the projected peak of the Stroman, Norris, Hoffman. By the time the pitching is good enough to contend Bautista and Encarnacion will be on the way out or gone.

 

I agree, but I don't this Alex sees this.

[Zaun of the Dead]

EE for Cobb straight up? I would take that.

[GD]

EE for Cobb straight up? I would take that.

 

Can do better than that

[TilsonBritoFan]

Chicago Cubs may have too many rooks, not enough vets. RF for RF, Bautista for Soler, who says no?

 

Remember Soler is on a team friendly 9 year 30 million contract. The Jays are short on positional prospects, this would help address that.

 

Or if the Cubs were really horny to win now, Bautista + Reyes+ cash for Starlin + Soler.

 

I don't think they would do that deal though.

[L54]

C Grandal

1B EE

2B Kendrick

SS Rollins

3B Uribe

CF Ethier/van Slyke

LF Bautista/Gonzalez

RF Gonzalez/Bautista

 

IIRC, Gonzalez can play RF and Ethier/van Slyke can play CF. But Bautista/EE are the kinds of players you make room for

 

lol @ AGon in RF. That's why they traded Kemp.

[BTS]

I'm about 99.98% sure that the Dodgers wouldn't trade Joc Pederson for EE or Bautista.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

I don't want to move Joey Bats or Edwin but our backs are against the wall even if its early. The pitching on this team can't win and that's the goal

[Spanky99]

Jays aren't trading these boys fellas.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays aren't trading these boys fellas.

 

Right, prospects will be on the move before Bautista or EE..... the wrong choice but that's the BJ way

[Spanky99]

Right, prospects will be on the move before Bautista or EE..... the wrong choice but that's the BJ way

 

Pretty much.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Better question if you have to or can or could move one who would you move first?

 

EE

Or

Batz

[Gorlak]

Right, prospects will be on the move before Bautista or EE..... the wrong choice but that's the BJ way

 

Depends on the prospects and the other team in the trade, I don't think AA wants to pay either of them what they would get on the market so I assume he won't resign both, so why keep both. AA will likely be looking for more control than both players currently have though, so a deal with a contender may be hard to line up. Another thing is if a player is being traded from a seller for prospects, the Jays have to beat most other teams in baseballs offers, But few other teams have an offensive asset they can move to a contender without destroying their own offense. At the same time few teams have pitching they can move of that caliber that won't hinder their own playoff chances. Long shot, but worth exploring.

[Gorlak]

Better question if you have to or can or could move one who would you move first?

 

EE

Or

Batz

 

EE, but Bautista would have a better return.

[BigCecil]

Right, prospects will be on the move before Bautista or EE..... the wrong choice but that's the BJ way

 

Its not the wrong choice at all if they can get better pitching from what they have and also add some arm depth to make a run with other assets.

 

E-Rex and Jose are bona fide mashers on undermarket deals (one good thing AA led). Trading them for if, come, maybe prospects (remember Wil Myers?) for yet another rebuild on the come makes no sense to me now. We are always chasing f***ing rainbows. Devon Travis and Martin are smoking hot now but when they cool off we are going to need these Dominicans to do some damage.

 

Trading E-Rex or Jose for some more established pitching now might make some sense with our offense, but I don't see the deal yet.

 

IF this season continues to underwhelm it will develop a picture of our chances in 2016 and dictate whether to move them for a haul or not.

Edited May 8, 2015 by BigCecil