Jays Umpire Incident at Fenway

[Atothe]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/jays-dispute-with-umps-prompts-changes-at-fenway/

 

"Toronto — Visiting teams at Fenway Park will be required to wait until the umpires come off the field before going into the dugout walkway post-game, according to what a major league source says was the result of verbal sparring between some members of John Gibbons’ coaching staff and the crew that worked the Toronto Blue Jays series with the Boston Red Sox last week."

 

Gibby's staff sticking up for their players

[Zaun of the Dead]

good. the jays have had to deal with s***** officiating for a long time, particularly in new york / boston

[JaysFan4Ever]

At a professional level everyone should be held accountable for something that they do wrong. The umps did make some s***** calls but they don't get held accountable for anything. It's easy to see why some players/staff members would confront them especially with how the strike zones were being called.

 

I'd love to know the specifics because if it's just over the top or something the Jays' shouldn't have done then I can't back them, but if it's giving them a piece of their mind because of a s***** series where the zone changed pitch-to-pitch then I can't see it as being too wrong.

 

But like someone mentioned, give the cops a hard time, see what happens. Give the umps a hard time, they'll put the squeeze on the Jays especially since they know they have a lot of young players/pitchers and guys like Bautista who seems to get pissy after every AB where he doesn't hit a homer.

 

Watch it all be something minor that was reported and blown out of proportion.

[o2cui2i]

The question is why wasn't Gibbons getting himself thrown out in the second inning where complaining might actually help? whining after the game doesn't achieve anything

[Zaun of the Dead]

it sends a message i guess. like 'hey, we know what's going on n we aint gonna take that s***'

[o2cui2i]

still doesn't help doing it after the game.

[Zaun of the Dead]

it doesn't really help doing it during the game either. it doesn't really help at all.

[o2cui2i]

it doesn't really help doing it during the game either. it doesn't really help at all.

 

I'd have to disagree. making the ump aware that he is giving s***** calls makes him aware you are aware.... Bobby Cox was absolutely the best at it

[JaysAllMighty]

I'd have to disagree. making the ump aware that he is giving s***** calls makes him aware you are aware.... Bobby Cox was absolutely the best at it

 

Tell a moderator on a forum that he's making a s***** call and see how fast it gets you banned. Don't think the moderator will give a s*** about your opinion but he will retaliate for being called out.

[o2cui2i]

Tell a moderator on a forum that he's making a s***** call and see how fast it gets you banned. Don't think the moderator will give a s*** about your opinion but he will retaliate for being called out.

 

are you waiting for your ban?

[S33n]

are you waiting for your ban?

 

Why is everyone so hard on you recently? I haven't seen anything to complain about.

[o2cui2i]

Why is everyone so hard on you recently? I haven't seen anything to complain about.

 

disagreement on what is and isn't allowed in posts and who can and can't be banned.

[Molitor]

Is there any reason why we can't analyze the PitchTrax data to measure if umps are actually favouring/screwing any teams? I see some studies on umpires strike zones, but can't find anything measuring it by team. Or measuring all umpires for a single player (i.e. Bautista).

[saskjayfan]

Hey CFnumber25....why did you delete your post..lol

 

Originally Posted by CFnumber25 View Post

 

how much you guys wanna bet it was Bautista involved in the "ugly incident"?

 

I swear to god he's a f***ing idiot by constantly showing up the umps. Of course they try to f*** him over. Wouldn't you?

[Zaun of the Dead]

Tell a moderator on a forum that he's making a s***** call and see how fast it gets you banned. Don't think the moderator will give a s*** about your opinion but he will retaliate for being called out.

 

Yeah that is my thought process. The umpires try to take control of the game enough as it is, imagine how bitter they would be about getting called on it. So you have an ump already doing a s***** job and now he's pissed at you / knows he can get away with practically anything because he's an umpire.

[Spanky99]

Hey CFnumber25....why did you delete your post..lol

 

Originally Posted by CFnumber25 View Post

 

how much you guys wanna bet it was Bautista involved in the "ugly incident"?

 

I swear to god he's a f***ing idiot by constantly showing up the umps. Of course they try to f*** him over. Wouldn't you?

 

He's been banned, genius.

[King]

TORONTO – Edwin Encarnacion witnessed the confrontation between Brook Jacoby and umpire Doug Eddings in a Fenway Park tunnel last week, and the slugger insists the Toronto Blue Jays hitting coach didn’t do anything to merit a 14-game suspension.

“That surprised me,” Encarnacion said of the punishment Tuesday. “I never expected that kind of suspension the way I saw it in the tunnel. What happened isn’t supposed to be that many games, because they just yelled at each other. They had contact, but not like the way they say. What I heard is (the umpires) said Brook got the umpire against the wall. That never happened.”

What kind of contact?

“Just bumping each other,” he says. “But no hands.”

The Blue Jays are appealing the unusually harsh punishment for their hitting coach, a sanction that would cost Jacoby nearly nine per cent of his salary in 2015.

According to multiple sources, the umpires’ report – perhaps a corroborated report from the Resident Security Agent stationed at each ballpark whose duties include escorting the umpires off the field – says that Jacoby pinned Eddings against the wall and had his arm around his throat.

Encarnacion said bench coach DeMarlo Hale got in between Jacoby and Eddings before matters reached that point – an account corroborated by other sources who preferred to speak anonymously.

“Nothing happened,” said Encarnacion. “It could have been worse, but nothing happened like what they said.”

The Blue Jays haven’t commented on the matter while Major League Baseball’s only statement came in the news release announcing Jacoby’s suspension for “his post-game conduct toward the umpire crew.”

Still, details of the incident from last Wednesday in Boston have slowly trickled out, and the following account is based upon multiple interviews.

Visiting teams and umpires at Fenway Park share the same exit route from the field, and that’s where the trouble took place. As the umpires passed through the visitors’ dugout, some Blue Jays coaches complained about the home plate umpire Adrian Johnson’s strike zone that night in a 4-1 loss to the Red Sox. Russell Martin’s called strike three for the final out of the game was among several disputed calls.

According to one account, crew chief Bill Miller hung back to engage with the coaches while the rest of the umpires proceeded down the narrow tunnel that connects to both the visiting clubhouse and an access door that leads to the umpires’ dressing room.

That led to a mix of umpires and Blue Jays in the tunnel – the umpires are supposed to descend in a group amid security personnel with the RSA behind them – where the chirping continued.

At some point Eddings, who had been walking up the stairway that leads out of the tunnel, heard something that caused him to turn back down and engage Jacoby.

“The umpire came back and talked loud, in front of his face,” said Encarnacion.

Hale then intervened, shoving the men apart according to one account, and eventually the tunnel cleared, the Blue Jays and umpires heading to their respective rooms.

How Major League Baseball reached its decision is unknown, although it did speak with the Blue Jays about the matter before a ruling was made, and the appeal process remains unclear. For context’s sake, Kelvin Herrera of the Kansas City Royals got five games recently for throwing at the head of Oakland’s Brett Lawrie.

Since the incident new procedures have been implemented at Fenway that stipulate that visiting teams can’t enter the tunnel until umpires have cleared the walkway. A better idea is to use an access point in the left-field corner which connects to the service corridor that leads to the umpires’ room.

“They’ve got to figure out something so the umpires go a different way,” said Encarnacion.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/encarnacion-gives-account-of-jacoby-incident/

[ScientificReason]

disagreement on what is and isn't allowed in posts and who can and can't be banned.

 

The fact that users are bold enough to give you a hard time speaks volumes. Inmates still running the asylum lol.

[King]

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 5m5 minutes ago

Statement from Brian Lam of World Umpires Association on Brook Jacoby suspension . . .

 

 

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 4m4 minutes ago

“Emotions often run hot after games, and people sometimes do terrible things that they later deeply regret. However, there is a clear line .

 

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 4m4 minutes ago

“ . . . that must never be crossed. No player or coach should ever physically assault a game official or condone such an attack . . . ”

 

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 4m4 minutes ago

“ regardless of aim or fury. With its decisions, Major League Baseball reinforced that critical message earlier this week and rightly so.”

 

 

 

[Atothe]

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 5m5 minutes ago

Statement from Brian Lam of World Umpires Association on Brook Jacoby suspension . . .

 

 

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 4m4 minutes ago

“Emotions often run hot after games, and people sometimes do terrible things that they later deeply regret. However, there is a clear line .

 

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 4m4 minutes ago

“ . . . that must never be crossed. No player or coach should ever physically assault a game official or condone such an attack . . . ”

 

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 4m4 minutes ago

“ regardless of aim or fury. With its decisions, Major League Baseball reinforced that critical message earlier this week and rightly so.”

 

 

 

 

So everyone but the umps and that security guard is lying