Official Former Jays Lolz or non-lolz thread

[bendera3]

I noticed that a lot of us on the board like to keep up with former Jays. I figured this thread might streamline them.

 

For example: Top 10 catcher JPA released by the Orioles, and Brett Lawrie strikes out 4 times on 12 pitches.

[baubau]

Yan Gomes is still a stud. f*** can't believe we gave him and Aviles for Rogers still.

[nowayjose]

Good thread.

 

Kendall Graveman - 3.1IP 7H 7ER 1S0 in first start with As.

Anthony DeSclafani- 6IP 5H 2ER 6SO

 

Not going to bother stating Gose's stats. He will be batting under .240 by the end of April.

[Jonzo]

I still think the Napoli trade was pretty bad, considering we needed a catcher and then had to put up with Top 10 Catcher..

[Jimcanuck]

I noticed that a lot of us on the board like to keep up with former Jays. I figured this thread might streamline them.

 

For example: Top 10 catcher JPA released by the Orioles, and Brett Lawrie strikes out 4 times on 12 pitches.

 

We know the Jays like to hire former players..... future MiLB coach

[fatcowxlive]

That Napoli trade was f***ing terrible. Man this franchise has made some terrible choices and we still have a lot of talent.

 

I believed in Gose I think everyone on this forum knows that. But its pretty irelevant what he does if Travis is legit and is our second baseman for the forseeable future.

 

Gose in a platoon role playing CF with his speed is going to be an impactful player. He finally decided to put on some weight. I think hes going to have a good year and his start is amazing.

 

I think this trade is going to pay off for both teams equally in terms of needs.

[fatcowxlive]

Exactly as long as the Blue Jays return is fair I will never complain about giving up talent. I prefer trades where players are closer in age though. I wouldn't want to trade someone like Hoffman unless we got a legit ace. And not someone who is at the tail end of their career.

 

Basically no Dickey trades. It makes sense, that trade was utter garbage.

[bronson44]

Basically no Dickey trades. It makes sense, that trade was utter garbage.

 

It's barely a trade to care about any more. Dickey has been an innings eating stalwart in our rotation since and we now have a better catcher and young pitching core. Easy to move on from from any value lost, in my mind anyway.

[fatcowxlive]

It's barely a trade to care about any more. Dickey has been an innings eating stalwart in our rotation since and we now have a better catcher and young pitching core.

 

What I'm saying is opportunity cost, we could have traded the same 2 players for MUCH better or at least kept d'Arnaud and kept Syndergaard (who at this point would be way more valuable to the team being in the rotation)

[reedjohnsonfan]

It's barely a trade to care about any more. Dickey has been an innings eating stalwart in our rotation since and we now have a better catcher and young pitching core. Easy to move on from from any value lost, in my mind anyway.

 

Great point. The Jays are in win now mode and have a much better catcher (albeit higher cost) than d'Arnaud. Having Dickey is a lot better than having a guy like Syndergaard at the moment.

[bronson44]

What I'm saying is opportunity cost, we could have traded the same 2 players for MUCH better or at least kept d'Arnaud and kept Syndergaard (who at this point would be way more valuable to the team being in the rotation)

 

Agreed. Most people said we could have landed Latos for that package lol.

But seriously it's not the franchise crippling move it seemed like it might be at the time. We're still flush with pitching prospects and have one of the best catchers in the game.

[Orgfiller]

Morrow looking nasty against the Giants in Petco.

[fatcowxlive]

Agreed. Most people said we could have landed Latos for that package lol.

But seriously it's not the franchise crippling move it seemed like it might be at the time. We're still flush with pitching prospects and have one of the best catchers in the game.

 

You're right, I remember when it went down at the time I Thought that's it we're screwed. Especially when Dickey pitched like s*** for the first half of that season. It's amazing how great of a team we have become, especially since AA has been utter s*** with his trades post Happ trade up until this offseason. With all the quality ex-pitching prospects of our own shining everywhere, I'm happy with how great of an org we are when it came to development and drafting

[Jonzo]

Morrow looking nasty against the Giants in Petco.

 

That's ok, he'll be on the DL shortly.

[jays_fever]

Great point. The Jays are in win now mode and have a much better catcher (albeit higher cost) than d'Arnaud. Having Dickey is a lot better than having a guy like Syndergaard at the moment.

 

This simply isnt true. Noah's major league ready and could likely out pitch Dickey as soon as this year. Dickey really isnt even an average major league starter

[Caper]

This simply isnt true. Noah's major league ready and could likely out pitch Dickey as soon as this year. Dickey really isnt even an average major league starter

 

People said that last year.

[RealAccountant]

This simply isnt true. Noah's major league ready and could likely out pitch Dickey as soon as this year. Dickey really isnt even an average major league starter[/QUOT

 

Terrible analysis

 

Let's see Sender pitch a game once

[jays_fever]

People said that last year.

 

It was true last year as well. Him dominating triple AAA ball in Vegas wasnt really necessary

[jays_fever]

This simply isnt true. Noah's major league ready and could likely out pitch Dickey as soon as this year. Dickey really isnt even an average major league starter[/QUOT

 

Terrible analysis

 

Let's see Sender pitch a game once

 

ok.

[jays76]

The Dickey trade wasn't good but it wasn't crippling and it served the win now mode we were in then. We're set at C currently to offset the loss of D'Arnaud and we're stocked with young SP's to offset Syngaard as those two wouldn't have been ready to contribute until this year anyways. As mentioned previously in the thread Dickey's provided some value for us with his 200+ innings every year plus he's a veteran presence on the staff now for the young guns.

 

Trading Yan Gomes/Mike Aviles for Esmil Rogers and Mike Napoli for Frank Fransisco were downright disgusting moves, totally vomit worthy. Rogers and Fransisco put up s***** numbers out of the pen and aren't even on the Jays anymore while Gomes and Napoli, well we know how that's worked out.. It also would have spelled seeing less of JPA & Navarro at C plus provided the infield depth we've needed over the last few seasons with Aviles.

 

Ah well can't cry over spilled milk, at least things are looking bright moving forward this year.

[ScientificReason]

This simply isnt true. Noah's major league ready and could likely out pitch Dickey as soon as this year. Dickey really isnt even an average major league starter

 

LOl no, just no.

[ElNik2013]

The Dickey trade wasn't good but it wasn't crippling and it served the win now mode we were in then. We're set at C currently to offset the loss of D'Arnaud and we're stocked with young SP's to offset Syngaard as those two wouldn't have been ready to contribute until this year anyways. As mentioned previously in the thread Dickey's provided some value for us with his 200+ innings every year plus he's a veteran presence on the staff now for the young guns.

 

Trading Yan Gomes/Mike Aviles for Esmil Rogers and Mike Napoli for Frank Fransisco were downright disgusting moves, totally vomit worthy. Rogers and Fransisco put up s***** numbers out of the pen and aren't even on the Jays anymore while Gomes and Napoli, well we know how that's worked out.. It also would have spelled seeing less of JPA & Navarro at C plus provided the infield depth we've needed over the last few seasons with Aviles.

 

Ah well can't cry over spilled milk, at least things are looking bright moving forward this year.

 

 

Had they kept d'Arnaud, they may not have needed to shell out 82M over 5 years for Martin. Dickey did serve the win-now direction the franchise had decided to go into, but it was still an overpay.

 

Missing out on Yan Gomes's catching skillz goes hand in hand with their decision to commit to JPA. It showed their terrible evaluation of the C position.

 

Hopefully, the Martin signing means they've improved in that area. Although, they could only go up from were they were.

 

Also, didn't the Jays end up drafting Matt Smoral with the comp pick that resulted from trading Napoli?

 

Not saying that would make it a good trade, it's just that AA was probably too focused on getting a his compensation picks.

[jays_fever]

 

Dickey is an average #3 starter. Period. You can love Syndergaard as much as you please... I love the arm as well... But don't make stuff up to try and prove a point.

 

He's durable and junks his way to a lot of innings, he isnt a number 3 starter. To say we're much better off with a 40 year old who's making 12 million dollars a year just to eat innings over a great young arm is ridiculous,

[ElNik2013]

 

He's durable and junks his way to a lot of innings, he isnt a number 3 starter. To say we're much better off with a 40 year old who's making 12 million dollars a year just to eat innings over a great young arm is ridiculous,

 

 

I don't think anyone's said that they were/are for the trade. It wasn't just Syndergaard that was traded for Dickey, it was also d'Arnaud + an international signee who's got potential. It was a massive overpay.

 

Some are just correcting your erroneous statement that Dickey isn't even an average MLB starter.

Edited April 11, 2015 by ElNik2013

[ScientificReason]

 

He's durable and junks his way to a lot of innings, he isnt a number 3 starter. To say we're much better off with a 40 year old who's making 12 million dollars a year just to eat innings over a great young arm is ridiculous,

 

Yes he is, his numbers show that. You saying it doesn't make it so.

[Deadpool]

He's durable and junks his way to a lot of innings, he isnt a number 3 starter. To say we're much better off with a 40 year old who's making 12 million dollars a year just to eat innings over a great young arm is ridiculous,

 

It was a shite trade, but Toronto would be pretty f***ed without the 2 guys who you can pencil in for 200 innings right now.

[jays_fever]

 

Yes he is, his numbers show that. You saying it doesn't make it so.

 

lol what numbers show this. 88th in war last year and there's dozens of pitchers lower than him who only pitched part of the year that I would take over him in a heartbeat.

 

Is JA Happ a number 3 as well?.A number 3 is around a top 75 pitcher in the game, Dickey isnt one of them

[ScientificReason]

 

lol what numbers show this. 88th in war last year and there's dozens of pitchers lower than him who only pitched part of the year that I would take over him in a heartbeat.

 

Is JA Happ a number 3 as well?

 

Dickey > Happ. WAR is not the only stat. 215 innings, 3.71 era and 14 wins is not average or Number 3 starter? lol.

[jays_fever]

 

 

I don't think anyone's said that they were/are for the trade. It wasn't just Syndergaard that was traded for Dickey, it was also d'Arnaud + an international signee who's got potential. It was a massive overpay.

 

Some are just correcting your erroneous statement that Dickey isn't even an average MLB starter.

 

Someone stated that the trade benefited us because we're in a win now state, which it doesnt both in the short and long term. Throwing 220 innings a year is impressive, not even being able to rack up a 2 war season with those innings show how mediocre he is.

[ScientificReason]

 

Someone stated that the trade benefited us because we're in a win now state, which it doesnt both in the short and long term. Throwing 220 innings a year is impressive, not even being able to rack up a 2 war season with those innings show how mediocre he is.

But you said he was below mediocre.....what is it? Now you are contradicting yourself. He is average, middle of the road rotation guy.