Adam Lind: Bluejays clubhouse culture

[Angrioter]

“They haven’t changed the culture of the clubhouse. They’re my friends, but the guys who still run it are still there. Jose Bautista is the voice among position players and Mark Buehrle runs the starting pitchers.

 

“There might be a few more smiles with Colby gone.”

 

“Do they think that Justin Smoak will change the culture of the clubhouse? Michael Saunders?” Lind said. “I don’t know Donaldson, but Martin will make a difference. Martin is awesome.”

 

“I was leaving my house (in Palm Harbour, Fla.) when one of our pitchers sent a text with the trade,” said Lind, who added the pitcher typed: “All my friends are leaving.”

 

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/24/adam-lind-opens-up-about-time-with-blue-jays

[KingKat]

Juan Francisco, who started more games at third than Lawrie

 

That hurts to read.

[Angrioter]

That hurts to read.

 

Are Jose Bautista and Mark Buehrle the bad guys?

[ScientificReason]

“They haven’t changed the culture of the clubhouse. They’re my friends, but the guys who still run it are still there. Jose Bautista is the voice among position players and Mark Buehrle runs the starting pitchers.

 

“There might be a few more smiles with Colby gone.”

 

“Do they think that Justin Smoak will change the culture of the clubhouse? Michael Saunders?” Lind said. “I don’t know Donaldson, but Martin will make a difference. Martin is awesome.”

 

“I was leaving my house (in Palm Harbour, Fla.) when one of our pitchers sent a text with the trade,” said Lind, who added the pitcher typed: “All my friends are leaving.”

 

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/24/adam-lind-opens-up-about-time-with-blue-jays

 

 

That was in interesting read, seems he was just being open and honest, but was it me or did he seem to make it like bautista and the culture is still an issue? Wish we never traded lind, imagine him in this lineup.

[bendera3]

Well they seem to have gotten rid of the "bro" mentality with getting rid of Lunchbox, Lind, Lawrie.

 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in this clubhouse and see what's really going on.

[BTS]

I love Lind, but the guy needs to just stop talking to the media.

[Statman]

I am SO happy to see Adam Lind's left handed bat, defense, mouth, injuries, mom and 7.5 million salary gone.

[Frenchsoup]

Are Jose Bautista and Mark Buehrle the bad guys?

 

Lind was friends with all the troublemakers that's why he's spraying.

[KingKat]

Are Jose Bautista and Mark Buehrle the bad guys?

 

Maybe but he didn't say anything really negative about them. He said they were the team leaders (which makes perfect sense) but he didn't qualify their leadership. Maybe he (and possilby Lawrie) didn't get along with Bautista and that's why they're gone and maybe he's not going to take ownership for his role in that but in the end, who really cares? All this speculation is kind of pointless and getting old.

[Angrioter]

Lind was friends with all the troublemakers that's why he's spraying.

 

Maybe but he didn't say anything really negative about them. He said they were the team leaders (which makes perfect sense) but he didn't qualify their leadership. Maybe he (and possilby Lawrie) didn't get along with Bautista and that's why they're gone and maybe he's not going to take ownership for his role in that but in the end, who really cares? All this speculation is kind of pointless and getting old.

 

KKK

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[Inklink]

This just tells me that Lind was a big problem in the clubhouse.

[saskjayfan]

Maybe but he didn't say anything really negative about them. He said they were the team leaders (which makes perfect sense) but he didn't qualify their leadership. Maybe he (and possilby Lawrie) didn't get along with Bautista and that's why they're gone and maybe he's not going to take ownership for his role in that but in the end, who really cares? All this speculation is kind of pointless and getting old.

 

I agree....Lind never said anything bad about the Bautista and Buehrle. He said Martin would be awesome. He even eluded to the fact that Colby was a different cat. That was a typical Lind interview...complete honesty. I think he's pretty easy going and gets along with everyone. His perception that the guys they moved weren't an issue is just his perspective on life. He had nothing but good things to say about Toronto and his love for the city. Lind has had a .930ish OPS the last 2 seasons against right handers. When you have a Valencia you can platoon him with who has a career .870 OPS against lefties that would have been pretty nice in the 6 hole.

 

Adam Lind isn't the most dynamic person. He's not the brightest bulb by any means. People wouldn't gravitate towards him at parties to listen to the scintillating stories he tells hanging on his every word. He's a guy in the background, but a pretty good guy on the whole. The comments he made in this article are a million miles away from what Latos said. I don't think his comments were in any way disrespectful.

[saskjayfan]

Lind was friends with all the troublemakers that's why he's spraying.

 

Lind said he was friends with Buehrle and Bautista. Lind would get along with Barry Bonds....he gets along with everyone

[Deadpool]

I guess this is as good a place to post this as anywhere...

 

www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/donaldson-understands-value-clubhouse-chemistry/

 

Unfortunately I read a few of the comments and now I need a shower...

[bendera3]

Maybe but he didn't say anything really negative about them. He said they were the team leaders (which makes perfect sense) but he didn't qualify their leadership. Maybe he (and possilby Lawrie) didn't get along with Bautista and that's why they're gone and maybe he's not going to take ownership for his role in that but in the end, who really cares? All this speculation is kind of pointless and getting old.

 

Maybe Lind, Lawrie, Snider, etc were the trouble makers and Bautista and Buehrle didn't like it.

[AdamGreenwood]

I already miss Lind.

 

He was a character, and would give some pretty bloody interesting interviews as long as the reporter didn't ask stupid questions.

I think Lind is a lot smarter than people give him credit for.

 

Can't say I'm surprised that Colby was a downer, with his blame-everybody-but-me and my dad- approach to the game. Couldn't stand that guy. Glad he's gone.

[NorthOf49]

Lind didn't rip anyone here, he just gave an honest and refreshing account. I'll miss him.

[Key22]

As players always say - winning solves the problems. I seriously doubt there are any teams that don't have some players that don't get along. He noted that some would smile that Colby is leaving. He was benched so I suspect it had to do with attitude or work ethic because his numbers were not awful enough to be benched.

 

Bautista I think liked Lawrie as Bautista said he would miss him. He never said that about Colby or Yunel Escobar. And AA spoke of the possibility of getting Lawrie back and seemed genuine about it. I would have really like JD at third and Lawrie at second.

[Nafro]

As players always say - winning solves the problems. I seriously doubt there are any teams that don't have some players that don't get along. He noted that some would smile that Colby is leaving. He was benched so I suspect it had to do with attitude or work ethic because his numbers were not awful enough to be benched.

 

Bautista I think liked Lawrie as Bautista said he would miss him. He never said that about Colby or Yunel Escobar. And AA spoke of the possibility of getting Lawrie back and seemed genuine about it. I would have really like JD at third and Lawrie at second.

 

I miss Adam Lind's goatee! You don't think Colby's numbers were grounds to be benched last year? If there was a stat for "rally's killed with a strikeout", Colby would have been a league leader.

 

The Jays went on a great run of success when he went down with injury last year. That changed when he came back into the lineup. I will concede that was also because of injuries to other key players, but not a complete coincidence.

[Key22]

Colby was actually hitting better in the second half - a .757 OPS which is quite good for CF. I mean they played Aaron Hill for a year hitting under .600 OPS - so it seems to me there was something in his being a "teammate" as to why he was benched. Lind seems to imply that he wasn't exactly well liked. Perhaps the Cardinals knew something after all.

[Nafro]

Juan Francisco's OPS last year was .745. Are you going to tell me that he was a good spot in the lineup? He would have been ahead of Colby's "rally's killed by a strikeout" stat. In fact I like that, I think there should be a definitive key stat, "K's with at least one runner on", "K's with RISP", "K's with nobody on". I even like the stat "K's while trailing and later than the sixth inning".

 

We have all these analytics saying that it does not give you an advantage to sacrifice an out to move the runner. I would argue those figures are skewed by not taking into account the much more negative impact if the out is a strikeout.

 

My point is I think that for a player like Colby Rasmus and Juan Francisco and such OPS is not a great stat to use. I will concede that Colby is an excellent defender at a premium position. So he is much more valuable than the poor defender Francisco. However his lack of overall contact and high slugging portion of his OPS, make that stat over rated. Your slugging for a solo home run and grand slam are the same. The impact of those two on the game are much different.

 

Does anyone know if these type of K stats exist? The similar K peripherals for pitchers for situation would be very useful.

Edited February 25, 2015 by Nafro

[RealAccountant]

If I had to guess the mentioned pitcher was Brett cecil

[Frenchsoup]

Colby was actually hitting better in the second half - a .757 OPS which is quite good for CF. I mean they played Aaron Hill for a year hitting under .600 OPS - so it seems to me there was something in his being a "teammate" as to why he was benched. Lind seems to imply that he wasn't exactly well liked. Perhaps the Cardinals knew something after all.

 

Yes they did know something. It's the same thing with Lawrie and how we know he's an idiot who can't control himself. We pillaged Oakland in the Donaldson deal.

[Nafro]

Yes they did know something. It's the same thing with Lawrie and how we know he's an idiot who can't control himself. We pillaged Oakland in the Donaldson deal.

 

I wouldn't say we pillaged Oakland. We won the deal in the short term. But I actually like Graveman a fair bit. I think 5 years from now if Lawrie can ever stay healthy (and yes that's a big if) Oakland is better off from this trade. I see Barreto as a similar player to Erick Aybar. I like the deal, we just didn't rip the A's off by any means.

[CrackerJack]

Elliott should've asked Lind whether (in retrospect) he thought that his "my Mom told me to get an MRI" comment sealed his fate in Toronto.

[AdamGreenwood]

It's kind of funny. AA entered the game with this plan to buy-low on problem guys. He completely dismissed clubhouse effect, and bad attitudes, and picked up the league's problem children.

Only through experience has he learned the value of having some decent guys in the clubhouse, and now he's doing the exact opposite - trading off all the 'too school for cool kids' for quarters on the dollar.

If this was AA circa 2010, he would have jumped at the chance to pick up Everth Cabrera. Now, if only we could get rid of Bautista.

[HERPDERP]

I don't think he was pointing to Bautista and Buehrle as clubhouse cancers, it's just that everyone looks up to them. Could go either way.

 

But who else on the team could really be cancers that we've had for several years? Reyes? Can't be. Dickey? I could see him as a loner rather than a cancer.

 

Edwin? I could see the guy sticking to the Dominos, but that's not bad.

[ScientificReason]

It's kind of funny. AA entered the game with this plan to buy-low on problem guys. He completely dismissed clubhouse effect, and bad attitudes, and picked up the league's problem children.

Only through experience has he learned the value of having some decent guys in the clubhouse, and now he's doing the exact opposite - trading off all the 'too school for cool kids' for quarters on the dollar.

If this was AA circa 2010, he would have jumped at the chance to pick up Everth Cabrera. Now, if only we could get rid of Bautista.

 

Idiot alert....What facts do you have bautista is an issue in the clubhoues?

[King]

I don't think he was pointing to Bautista and Buehrle as clubhouse cancers, it's just that everyone looks up to them. Could go either way.

 

But who else on the team could really be cancers that we've had for several years? Reyes? Can't be. Dickey? I could see him as a loner rather than a cancer.

 

Edwin? I could see the guy sticking to the Dominos, but that's not bad.

 

I think Lind has it wrong. It seems to me like his stance is that the Jays have brought in players to "fix the clubhouse" (maybe Martin), but really what they did was let players away (Gose, Rasmus, Lawrie, Lind etc..) that were problems in the clubhouse.

[Pulk_Pull]

That whole conversation come off as extremely childish, especially the mention of his 'pitcher friend' who lost 'all his friends'. There was no reason to say that, other than to try and spurn an ex-lover (Jays).