Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[GD]

I don't understand the mentality that he "deserves a chance to start". He's blown chunks as a starter at every level of the minor leagues.

 

Because minor league stats don't matter you f***ing moron

 

/s

[BTS]

Everyone deserves a few hundred games to prove they don't belong. How else can we know for sure?

[closetjaysfan]

where has this been said, lol

 

It is obviously not possible and was prefaced by the word if.

[theblujay]

He deserves a chance to start because he's started in the minors and will be much more valuable as a starter when he reaches his potential.

[King]

He deserves a chance to start because he's started in the minors

 

lol

[Boxcar]

BTS thinks Stroman is a reliever. LOL.

 

I knew this lame joke was coming but somehow it actually made me laugh because you said it.

[Boxcar]

He deserves a chance to start because he's started in the minors and will be much more valuable as a starter when he reaches his potential.

 

This sounds like the conclusion to a grade 4 essay.

[GD]

This sounds like the conclusion to a grade 4 essay.

 

don't insult us 10 year olds like that

[Spanky99]

This is what I said two pages ago. God, keep up.... simpleton.

 

lol...you're rollin.

[Deadpool]

I knew this lame joke was coming but somehow it actually made me laugh because you said it.

 

Robots are just naturally funnier than people.

[glory]

To think, if Stroman were healthy, the likely set up would have been Sanchez in the pen, Estrada in the rotation, Norris in AAA, and Castro in Dunedin.

 

One injury, and suddenly two prospects who should start in the minors (Norris for service time reasons) will start in the bigs, and another who should be a reliever will be in the rotation.

 

Damn Marcus, you had to f*** up your ACL, didn't you?

[Angrioter]

El Enano contra el mundo!

 

Al Skorupa fangraphs 2013

His height is an issue in the framework of keeping the ball on the ground and in the park. Still, it’s more than just height that makes some think Stroman will end up in a relief role. His delivery has a good deal of effort. He drops the ball to his side and brings it around past his hip. He then brings his elbow back with a stabbing action and slings the ball towards home. Upon release he jerks his head towards his glove side. These are all elements of a delivery that typically point a player towards relief. A pitcher that does these things makes it hard on himself to repeat his delivery in general, and to repeat his timing and release point in particular. Problems with timing and repeating your delivery leads to inconsistent or poor command and control. This was a fear some had with Stroman. The thing is, while Stroman does all these things that are typical of relievers he manages to overcome these pitfalls with his great athleticism. He’s able to repeat his delivery consistently and his command and control both grade out around average. Stroman is a power arm and has a strong and deep repertoire including two plus pitches. Given these things I feel the undersized right-hander could start in the big leagues – for a few years at least. I’m not so confident he will get the chance, though. That led me to the question: If Stroman is a reliever was he worth where he was drafted?

 

KYLE BODDY 2013

"Stroman has great rhythm and an aggressive lower body; there’s a lot to love here. He gets the most out of his “undersized” body while other bigger/taller pitchers get away with being less efficient. Stroman’s fastball has great life in the zone and hard arm-side run and flashes decent sink at times. He has a wipe-out slider but knows how to get lefties out as well.

 

Stroman has one of the best strikeout rates among draft-eligible college starters, so why are people talking about moving him to relief as a closer? Stroman worked out of the rotation throughout his junior year at Duke and maintained his fastball velocity deep into games, sitting 93-94 and touching 96 at times. It’s a size issue again, as people think Stroman’s height will stop him from being a prototypical starter. This advice makes no sense, and I hope he gets his shot to stay in the rotation as a professional pitcher.

 

Conclusion: Great value here, as I really like Stroman above [Andrew] Heaney, [Chris] Stratton, and a few of the high school pitchers. Size issues aside (they mean nothing), he should slot well into a pro rotation if he’s given the chance."

[Nafro]

To think, if Stroman were healthy, the likely set up would have been Sanchez in the pen, Estrada in the rotation, Norris in AAA, and Castro in Dunedin.

 

One injury, and suddenly two prospects who should start in the minors (Norris for service time reasons) will start in the bigs, and another who should be a reliever will be in the rotation.

 

Damn Marcus, you had to f*** up your ACL, didn't you?

 

Stroman is not healthy. Sanchez and Norris will be in the rotation. Estrada and Castro will likely be in the 'pen. I'm picking Castro to finish in top 3 in American League ROY at the end of the year. It wasn't the way it was planned, that's life. No if's and but's,let's just play ball. GO Jays!

[G-Snarls]

Stroman is not healthy. Sanchez and Norris will be in the rotation. Estrada and Castro will likely be in the 'pen. I'm picking Castro to finish in top 3 in American League ROY at the end of the year. It wasn't the way it was planned, that's life. No if's and but's,let's just play ball. GO Jays!

 

I have no problem with this given the situation the Stroman injury has put us in

 

If Sanchez and Norris both somehow work out well in the rotation (rather unlikely but possible) then we're golden. If one of them falters (much more likely) then Estrada or Santana can step in and we can option the underperformer to the minor leagues.

[glory]

How about Estrada in the rotation, Hendriks as the long man, and Norris in AAA until Sanchez fails? At least get that extra year on Norris.

[shortstop]

my sense is part of the reason Sanchez is locked as a starter is the hope he'll pitch decent enough this year & will be locked in as a starter for 2016, along with Stroman, Hutchison and probably Norris. That's pretty exciting if it all works out.

[theblujay]

Gotta love when the pessimistic thugs write off our top 3 pitching prospect with front of the rotation upside and want him in the bullpen before he even has a full season in the majors. Oh and the personal attacks that come with it.

[G-Snarls]

How about Estrada in the rotation, Hendriks as the long man, and Norris in AAA until Sanchez fails? At least get that extra year on Norris.

 

That's not a bad idea either. But if Norris looks like the best pitcher among him, Sanchez and Estrada, you just have to have him on the team to start the year

[HERPDERP]

Aaron Sanchez has a slutter

http://www.bluejaysplus.com/aaron-sanchez-on-the-newest-pitch-in-his-repertoire/#sthash.0gE9fVuv.bxeMlhYx.dpbs

[glory]

Aaron Sanchez has a slutter

http://www.bluejaysplus.com/aaron-sanchez-on-the-newest-pitch-in-his-repertoire/#sthash.0gE9fVuv.bxeMlhYx.dpbs

 

With Hutchison and Stroman adding new pitches to improve their performance, I guess we can't rule out Sanchez doing the same. Hope it helps him.

[jays4life19]

Aaron Sanchez has a slutter

http://www.bluejaysplus.com/aaron-sanchez-on-the-newest-pitch-in-his-repertoire/#sthash.0gE9fVuv.bxeMlhYx.dpbs

 

seems legit.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slutter

[saskjayfan]

I don't understand the mentality that he "deserves a chance to start". He's blown chunks as a starter at every level of the minor leagues.

 

Players don't have to earn their way on to teams by performing at a high level through every stage of the minors to qualify to play at the MLB level. Players should make a team because they give your team the best chance to win. This is all I care about. Jose Fernandez was ready so he came up.

 

Do you really think it is possible to evaluate players without seeing them? Sanchez' minor league numbers were a product of him doing several different mechanical things with his delivery that produced those results. The point at which he cuts out bad habits, improves on consistency of what you want to see and he looks ready you bring him up. AA talked about him having a light bulb moment at AAA when he changed his arm slot. The last 3 or 4 outings in AAA he had progressed to the point that he was throwing the ball much better. If he had not progressed he likely never would have been brought up last year.

 

Do you think Pete Walker spends endless hours combing over minor league stats from three years ago to determine if Sanchez is ready? He spends his time watching the pitcher and reviewing film to see what mistakes a player is making. He uses this information to offer guidance and recommend adjustments to help his players become better players. At the end of camp we will know if Sanchez is ready because Pete Walker, Gibby, AA and others in the organization will collectively decide if the framework of what he brings can compete at the MLB level and give the team THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN! Once you're in the MLB you're constantly making adjustments. The minors gives you time to make the major adjustments and build a foundation to compete on.

 

You're s*** until your not. You're good until your s***. What good were Jose Bautista's stats from his first years in the big leagues to determine his future output. Once he made the mechanical and mental adjustments to take his game to the next level he was a different player. We could bump the thread from the old board and read all the quotes of all the brilliant people who said his contract was the worst thing ever and that AA was overpaying based off one fluky year.

 

I trust in the coaches to evaluate players and make the decisions that will help the team succeed. They are basing their decisions with far more information than you or I. That doesn't mean every decision they make will be the correct one. Baseball is a very difficult game to predict. You see something in a kid in his development, the changes he has made and you feel he's ready and you give him a shot. If you're wrong you send him back down.

[theblujay]

Players don't have to earn their way on to teams by performing at a high level through every stage of the minors to qualify to play at the MLB level. Players should make a team because they give your team the best chance to win. This is all I care about. Jose Fernandez was ready so he came up.

 

Do you really think it is possible to evaluate players without seeing them? Sanchez' minor league numbers were a product of him doing several different mechanical things with his delivery that produced those results. The point at which he cuts out bad habits, improves on consistency of what you want to see and he looks ready you bring him up. AA talked about him having a light bulb moment at AAA when he changed his arm slot. The last 3 or 4 outings in AAA he had progressed to the point that he was throwing the ball much better. If he had not progressed he likely never would have been brought up last year.

 

Do you think Pete Walker spends endless hours combing over minor league stats from three years ago to determine if Sanchez is ready? He spends his time watching the pitcher and reviewing film to see what mistakes a player is making. He uses this information to offer guidance and recommend adjustments to help his players become better players. At the end of camp we will know if Sanchez is ready because Pete Walker, Gibby, AA and others in the organization will collectively decide if the framework of what he brings can compete at the MLB level and give the team THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN! Once you're in the MLB you're constantly making adjustments. The minors gives you time to make the major adjustments and build a foundation to compete on.

 

You're s*** until your not. You're good until your s***. What good were Jose Bautista's stats from his first years in the big leagues to determine his future output. Once he made the mechanical and mental adjustments to take his game to the next level he was a different player. We could bump the thread from the old board and read all the quotes of all the brilliant people who said his contract was the worst thing ever and that AA was overpaying based off one fluky year.

 

I trust in the coaches to evaluate players and make the decisions that will help the team succeed. They are basing their decisions with far more information than you or I. That doesn't mean every decision they make will be the correct one. Baseball is a very difficult game to predict. You see something in a kid in his development, the changes he has made and you feel he's ready and you give him a shot. If you're wrong you send him back down.

 

But he didn't get swinging strikes so therefore he's never going to be a good starter!!!!!!!!!!!

[BTS]

But he didn't get swinging strikes so therefore he's never going to be a good starter!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The last two times you mocked people for not wanting a young player on the team they were Goins and JPA.

[Sammy225]

The last two times you mocked people for not wanting a young player on the team they were Goins and JPA.

 

JPA had a lot of swinging strikes though lol.

[GD]

Do you really think it is possible to evaluate players without seeing them?

 

Fun fact: No one ever said this. Lern2read.

[Boxcar]

The last two times you mocked people for not wanting a young player on the team they were Goins and JPA.

 

He will never learn.

[saskjayfan]

Fun fact: No one ever said this. Lern2read.

 

shouldn't you be in school?

[HERPDERP]

march break brah

[saskjayfan]

march break brah

 

I should have became a teacher, pay is crap, but they are always on vacation. Anyone listen to the all about those jays video that adam jesin dude made.