Blue Jays seeking replacement for Beeston

[Boxcar]

I don't think a do nothing GM would help the Jays compete, But he could help them lose for less money. He doesn't seem to extend his players or trade them while they still have value. I don't know why you hate AA so irrationally that you don't cheer for the Jays, But I assume it has more to do with you're ego than anything else.

 

You better check you are attitude at the door, sir.

[Gorlak]

Ha, Nailed it.

[souvlaki]

This is a total conspiracy theory but I think removing Beeston has a lot to do with the failed NFL Buffalo Bills purchase.

[TheHurl]

I don't think a do nothing GM would help the Jays compete, But he could help them lose for less money. He doesn't seem to extend his players or trade them while they still have value. I don't know why you hate AA so irrationally that you don't cheer for the Jays, But I assume it has more to do with your ego than anything else.

 

There used to be beautiful thread with many of my thoughts on AA as a GM, summed up by many posters. I'm not a guy that is going to change my opinion of a GM, who doesn't even use a laptop, because he had one great off-season. I like value, I don't think he has a clue about it. I like offensive depth, he doesn't appear to care about it. I think about the future, he understandably might not have one in baseball if he does these days. I always think teams should have a plan B, I don't think he thinks about what if it doesn't work. I don't like fat people, he is one. I could go on.

[TheHurl]

This is a total conspiracy theory but I think removing Beeston has a lot to do with the failed NFL Buffalo Bills purchase.

 

No It has to do with him voting against the new commish. Rogers asked him not to

[Spanky99]

I would...and might cheer for the team again.

 

Pleeeeeeease...*rolls eyes*

[CrackerJack]

I get the impression he acts on his gut or instinct (which is just awful). He essentially said that in a prior interview... something to the effect of 'I've let others make decisions even when my feelings said otherwise, and sometimes it backfired, I'm not going to do that again."

 

that Alex quote was made in the context of hiring Gibbons after Farrell was granted his wish to go back to Boston ... while Gibby hasn't (yet) led the Jays to the promised land, Alex turned out to be right about what his "gut" had told him about giving Farrell a managerial opportunity for a team that wasn't exactly his dream job.

[Spanky99]

This is a total conspiracy theory but I think removing Beeston has a lot to do with the failed NFL Buffalo Bills purchase.

 

No, no it didn't.

[Spanky99]

No It has to do with him voting against the new commish. Rogers asked him not to

 

Interesting.

[Gorlak]

There used to be beautiful thread with many of my thoughts on AA as a GM, summed up by many posters. I'm not a guy that is going to change my opinion of a GM, who doesn't even use a laptop, because he had one great off-season. I like value, I don't think he has a clue about it. I like offensive depth, he doesn't appear to care about it. I think about the future, he understandably might not have one in baseball if he does these days. I always think teams should have a plan B, I don't think he thinks about what if it doesn't work. I don't like fat people, he is one. I could go on.

 

So yeah ego, You think you know best. He does value high ceilings over high floors which has burned him before, Although when he tried for a high floor he got McGuire. He cares about surplus value otherwise he wouldn't make control a major part of any acquisition and why he doesn't sign players if they pass what he thinks their value is, The only reason he signed Martin was because he thought he would get surplus value from his defense that the market didn't factor in. As far as the future goes he has had many opportunities to trade away top prospects, but hasn't done so. I understand that depth is important, but not as easy to acquire as you may think and having a plan B in baseball is wishful thinking, Plan B is next season.

 

The Fat person thing makes me think you're just some ******* who thinks he's smarter than he is.

[Spanky99]

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[saskjayfan]

No It has to do with him voting against the new commish. Rogers asked him not to

 

I don't remember reading this....you have a link

[Spanky99]

I don't remember reading this....you have a link

 

Doubt it was written, he has a source.

[TheHurl]

So yeah ego, You think you know best. He does value high ceilings over high floors which has burned him before, Although when he tried for a high floor he got McGuire. He cares about surplus value otherwise he wouldn't make control a major part of any acquisition and why he doesn't sign players if they pass what he thinks their value is, The only reason he signed Martin was because he thought he would get surplus value from his defense that the market didn't factor in. As far as the future goes he has had many opportunities to trade away top prospects, but hasn't done so. I understand that depth is important, but not as easy to acquire as you may think and having a plan B in baseball is wishful thinking, Plan B is next season.

 

The Fat person thing makes me think you're just some ******* who thinks he's smarter than he is.

 

He cares about value as in what he's willing to pay. He doesn't value, sabermetric values. You don't have to believe this...I really don't care. I don't think I'm smarter than I am. I think I'm a smart guy...but there are probably 30 guys on this board that I think are way smarter than me. The fat thing is a running joke that a few people here will understand (I don't like fat pitching prospects...and happen to like really thin girls). I have, in my 44 years, done my best to talk to baseball people and get legitimate information about front offices. I have said some things that it turns out were wrong...but I'm not lying about what I've been told. You don't need to believe me when I say something, or even when I predict something. But honestly I have a pretty good track record, and I'm honest and admit when I'm wrong.

[ElNik2013]

I don't remember reading this....you have a link

 

 

 

There's a link on the first page of this #thread:

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11992598/toronto-blue-jays-seek-replace-ceo-paul-beeston

[Abomination]

Doubt it was written, he has a source.

 

Any stories about a rift between Bud Selig and Beeston because of the Jays not voting for the commissioner’s eventual successor, Rob Manfred, seem like speculation, looking for a reason that Beeston is on the way out. In fact, the likeliest reason is that Beeston is 69 years old and has been looking for other challenges, either in business or on the golf course.

 

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2014/12/07/reports_have_jays_searching_for_replacement_for_beeston.html

[CrackerJack]

Beeston didn't simply just vote against the new commissioner ... all reports say that Beeston spoke out strongly against Manfred ... so it'd be quite the rogue move by Beeston if Rogers had indeed given him different instructions.

[Spanky99]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2014/12/07/reports_have_jays_searching_for_replacement_for_beeston.html

 

Yes, I mean in Hurl's case, he knows someone.

[Gorlak]

He cares about value as in what he's willing to pay. He doesn't value, sabermetric values. You don't have to believe this...I really don't care. I don't think I'm smarter than I am. I think I'm a smart guy...but there are probably 30 guys on this board that I think are way smarter than me. The fat thing is a running joke that a few people here will understand (I don't like fat pitching prospects...and happen to like really thin girls). I have, in my 44 years, done my best to talk to baseball people and get legitimate information about front offices. I have said some things that it turns out were wrong...but I'm not lying about what I've been told. You don't need to believe me when I say something, or even when I predict something. But honestly I have a pretty good track record, and I'm honest and admit when I'm wrong.

 

If he doesn't like sabermetrics, why does he acquire players the sabermetric community think are good players and get rid of the ones they think are bad. Isn't he on record saying if he had to choose a stat to judge a player on, it would be K% and BB%. I also prefer thin girls and am not in on the joke so I apologize, Just know quite a few people that hate fat people unconditionally and they are all stupid.

 

Also I'm not doubting any information you have, I'm glad we have you as a resource, But that doesn't make your opinions any more accurate or less open to debate.

[Gorlak]

Beeston didn't simply just vote against the new commissioner ... all reports say that Beeston spoke out strongly against Manfred ... so it'd be quite the rogue move by Beeston if Rogers had indeed given him different instructions.

 

You could say he played the Baseball game of thrones

[TheHurl]

Doubt it was written, he has a source.

 

I think Beeston being vocal against Manfred was pretty strongly documented, as was his hardline on not changing his vote (there were rumours that he'd change his vote if he was promised a retirement gig at the MLB office I only remember one article on that one). Manfred like Selig is known as a labour guy that is big on making sure the MLB and MLBPA keep a good relationship. Rogers asking him not to vote against Manfred was from a guy in Vancouver named Michael Hobson.

[TheHurl]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2014/12/07/reports_have_jays_searching_for_replacement_for_beeston.html

 

Griffin and Cathal Kelly are huge Beeston guys though. I don't honestly know the truth on this one but speculation doesn't just come out of no where. If it's Beeston looking to move on to other things, than the Reinsdorf's story just doesn't hold water either.

[ElNik2013]

As well as pursuing Duquette, Rogers was reportedly also pursuing Kenny Williams. Neither of these pursuits give me any hope that they're looking to run the organization with long term value in mind. Rogers is rumoured to be pursuing these 2 on the advice of some guy that works for the Yankees.

 

Also, the fact that they're reportedly pursuing a new president because of disobedience by Beeston and not because they want to focus on "value".

 

 

In reality, hiring DD is fine, the issue is the gong show way in which they've gone about it.

[CrackerJack]

I don't remember it having anything to do with that to be perfectly honest. Also what you're saying doesn't make a lot of sense? You mean he was right to let Farrell go and win the WS with Boston?

 

1. if you care about the Alex gut thing, google the John Gibbons hiring press conference.

 

2. yes, letting Farrell go - when clearly he wanted to be somewhere else - was the right move ... Farrell had already checked out as Jays manager during the 2012 season (as evidenced by the Escobar eye black embarrassment, BJ players noticing the extra skip in Farrell's step whenever they played in Fenway etc.)

 

3. sounds like you give Farrell a lot of credit for the Red Sox WS championship in 2013 ... so do you give Farrell just as much blame for leading the Bosox to last place and 20 games under .500 in 2014?

[GNick49]

This has to get done. Can't imagine O's going this season with a GM they denied chance at Pres. somewhere else. By holding out for ridiculous ransom. Wouldn't be good inside their front office.

 

Don't believe the tampering rumours neither. Jays wouldn't be that stupid, everybody knows you have to go through proper channels when first expressing interest in DD. Also, doubt the Hoffman thingy. Doing back door tactics to get around league rules on trading picks, plus keeping him in our farm system for 6 months, start develop premium prospect for Orioles. Not a good way for team president to start.

[Gorlak]

This has to get done. Can't imagine O's going this season with a GM they denied chance at Pres. somewhere else. By holding out for ridiculous ransom. Wouldn't be good inside their front office.

 

Don't believe the tampering rumours neither. Jays wouldn't be that stupid, everybody knows you have to go through proper channels when first expressing interest in DD. Also, doubt the Hoffman thingy. Doing back door tactics to get around league rules on trading picks, plus keeping him in our farm system for 6 months, start develop premium prospect for Orioles. Not a good way for team president to start.

 

I believe the tampering rumours and the Hoffman rumours, I know AA would never trade Hoffman for DD, But if he wasn't making the call who knows.

[burlingtonbandit]

The thing that boggles my mind is they asked the Yankees for advice. You don't ask a f***in division rival for advice on who to hire as the franchise CEO. Could you imagine the Leafs asking the Habs or Sens for advice? Or the Cowboys asking the Giants for advice? Someone should find out where Eddy lives and protest outside his house.

[Gorlak]

The thing that boggles my mind is they asked the Yankees for advice. You don't ask a f***in division rival for advice on who to hire as the franchise CEO. Could you imagine the Leafs asking the Habs or Sens for advice? Or the Cowboys asking the Giants for advice? Someone should find out where Eddy lives and protest outside his house.

 

Yeah makes Ed Rogers look like the guy from Foxcatcher.

[GNick49]

I believe the tampering rumours and the Hoffman rumours, I know AA would never trade Hoffman for DD, But if he wasn't making the call who knows.

 

No, Jays wouldn't be that stupid. Even I know of the tampering charges risk. Surely Jays would

[GNick49]

There used to be beautiful thread with many of my thoughts on AA as a GM, summed up by many posters. I'm not a guy that is going to change my opinion of a GM, who doesn't even use a laptop, because he had one great off-season. I like value, I don't think he has a clue about it. I like offensive depth, he doesn't appear to care about it. I think about the future, he understandably might not have one in baseball if he does these days. I always think teams should have a plan B, I don't think he thinks about what if it doesn't work. I don't like fat people, he is one. I could go on.

 

I didn't want AA bought back for this season but must admit he has had a good off season. Seems like he has learned/evolved. An example would be Martin. He could of had Martin 2 years prior when Yankees let him go but chose Arencibia instead. He's learned to put more value on player's character and durability. Paid the price to make Oakland trade instead of trying to get deals on players with issues like Escobar or a Rasmus. No rumours on acquiring consistently injured players a Josh Johnson or Morrow.