Did AA Fleece Beane?

[Jimcanuck]

The Halladay trade was a bit different aging SP getting his last chance

 

Halladay at time of trade better than any FA on market

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Halladay at time of trade better than any FA on market

 

I'm not disagreeing with you but the relation to the Donaldson trade doesn't make sense

[G-Snarls]

I'm not disagreeing with you but the relation to the Donaldson trade doesn't make sense

 

My comment was not directly analogous to the Donaldson trade. I mentioned it in response to the notion that multiple prospects are generally required to get a top player because most prospects don't make it.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

My comment was not directly analogous to the Donaldson trade. I mentioned it in response to the notion that multiple prospects are generally required to get a top player because most prospects don't make it.

 

Sorry missed that. Of course typically you have to add a few prospects, high rank prospect, 1 or 2 medium prospects and a wildcard...

 

Misunderstanding

[baloojayz]

Hey guys new to the forums, what's up!

 

While I do agree Oakland did not get full value, there is no way they got fleeced. Someone posted that the Jays essentially gave up Marcum and a bunch of 6-8th rounders for JD. If you look at how they developed him (JD), it's a similar story on their end as well.

Few more things to consider:

-JD is probably at peak value

-Oakland's all-in failed and their dream rotation 50% went to s***; A rotation they gave up several promising prospects for.

-JD putting up another possible 7 war season would be wasted if the goal is to win it all for OAK, and soon he will be on the decline.

 

So instead, from their perspective, they converted a failed catcher prospect to 3rd base and then flipped him for 4 promising position and pitching prospects??? Don't go thinking we fleeced anyone, we gave up A LOT. We have some pitching prospects, but our position player depth (prospects) after all these trades has been gutted even further giving up both Lawrie and Baretto, and the 1st round pick to sign Martin (wouldn't have happened if D'Arnaud was still here).

 

This article is a very good read if you haven't read it already.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/josh-donaldson-trade-oakland-toronto-billy-beane/

 

For this reason nvm what the budget really is, AA has already committed to an all-in whether he knows it or not, and better fill the remaining holes on the roster to beat out BAL. If TOR fails to make the playoffs this year, the window is very realistically closed, and given the fact our current ninja GM has been pulling off all these potentially devastating blockbuster trades already, it's unlikely he could or would be given the chance to pull off another one to get us out of that jam so the window will likely stay shut for a while.

[CHRIS]

Hey guys new to the forums, what's up!

 

Welcome to the board.

 

I agree that I wouldn't call it a fleecing; just seems like two teams taking different paths, whether it works out for Beane remains to be seen (sometimes I think that he out-thinks himself).

 

The only reason I see it as being fleecing-esque is based on what else they may have been able to acquire if other teams knew that Donaldson was available. Granted, I don't know much about Baretto, but it seems like they could possibly have been able to acquire a better package than what the Jays gave up.

 

Time will tell I suppose.