Jays sign Martin - So what's next priority??

[TwistedLogic]

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[Spanky99]

you don't change the makeup of this team without moving one of the dominicans. i dont mean this to be racist, but we need to reduce the clique-ey-ness that comes with reyes, bautista and encarnacion. enough with the stupid handshakes. winning teams do their celebrating inside the dugout. and they do it as a team. to get the best out of this team, things need to be less comfortable.

 

leadership comes in many forms. most of which happen when the fans cant see.

 

dickey expects to go out and throw 6-7 innings every game and does his job queitly. when he gets taken out, we hear he gets mad because he wants to be out there. thats character and leadership.

 

leadership is not getting clutch hits during the regular season or having the best stat-line. leadership is also not what it appears when a fan watches a game.

 

leadership is what emerges once you have a team playing as one. we sort of have that with the pitching staff. buehrle is the "leader", but he does it quietly. dickey offsets his starpower and fills another necessary role.

 

the process of offsetting starpower on offense started with martin. although it's not done yet. you are going to see bautista or encarnacion traded. maybe reyes but that'll be more difficult. one of the three wont be on the opening day roster.

 

*sighs*

[Mikeleelop]

you don't change the makeup of this team without moving one of the dominicans. i dont mean this to be racist, but we need to reduce the clique-ey-ness that comes with reyes, bautista and encarnacion. enough with the stupid handshakes. winning teams do their celebrating inside the dugout. and they do it as a team. to get the best out of this team, things need to be less comfortable.

 

leadership comes in many forms. most of which happen when the fans cant see.

 

dickey expects to go out and throw 6-7 innings every game and does his job queitly. when he gets taken out, we hear he gets mad because he wants to be out there. thats character and leadership.

 

leadership is not getting clutch hits during the regular season or having the best stat-line. leadership is also not what it appears when a fan watches a game.

 

leadership is what emerges once you have a team playing as one. we sort of have that with the pitching staff. buehrle is the "leader", but he does it quietly. dickey offsets his starpower and fills another necessary role.

 

the process of offsetting starpower on offense started with martin. although it's not done yet. you are going to see bautista or encarnacion traded. maybe reyes but that'll be more difficult. one of the three wont be on the opening day roster.

 

or Dickey is the problem because he complains when he gets pulled after not doing his job. I've never seen Dickey referred to as a leader or provide guidance to younger pitchers. That is Burhle's area of praise.

 

But then again, How can you (we) make judgements of clubhouse behaviour without being in the clubhouse??

[burlingtonbandit]

Well after reading the last 2 pages might not open this thread again.

[King]

[Qwerty]

sign sandoval to backloaded deal.

 

trade bautista for controllable pieces.

 

extend EE for 4-5 more years.

 

i'd feel comfortable with sandoval, EE, martin as our veteran nucleus for 5 years.

 

to do it you need to use bautista to fill in the blanks.

[Mikeleelop]

sign sandoval to backloaded deal.

 

trade bautista for controllable pieces.

 

extend EE for 4-5 more years.

 

i'd feel comfortable with sandoval, EE, martin as our veteran nucleus for 5 years.

 

to do it you need to use bautista to fill in the blanks.

 

please stop posting this nonsense!

 

Bautista is not getting traded, he's the best value on the team. You will not get adequate return in a trade

[Qwerty]

or Dickey is the problem because he complains when he gets pulled after not doing his job. I've never seen Dickey referred to as a leader or provide guidance to younger pitchers. That is Burhle's area of praise.

 

But then again, How can you (we) make judgements of clubhouse behaviour without being in the clubhouse??

 

 

 

we cant. its just a known thing you cant let dominicans take over your team. again, not racist, its just fact. the culture of these guys and baseball is nothing you can compare to american lifestyle. their pride for their country which happens to be the major hub for baseball is almost bigger than the team itself.

 

its not a bad thing or quality. i just dont think you fill half your team with it.

 

unless, of course, winning involves pride for their country. did you watch the world baseball classic in 2012?

[Mikeleelop]

we cant. its just a known thing you cant let dominicans take over your team. again, not racist, its just fact. the culture of these guys and baseball is nothing you can compare to american lifestyle. their pride for their country which happens to be the major hub for baseball is almost bigger than the team itself.

 

its not a bad thing or quality. i just dont think you fill half your team with it.

 

unless, of course, winning involves pride for their country. did you watch the world baseball classic in 2012?

 

usually when you say "not racist" you just said something offensive and racist

 

In this case you are making an ignorant, uninformed racist statement

 

BTW didn't the Dominican Republic win the baseball classic ??

 

who were the prime RBI guys when the Redsox won their first world series?? two Dominicans??

[LongTimeReader]

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[Deadpool]

you are going to see bautista or encarnacion traded. maybe reyes but that'll be more difficult. one of the three wont be on the opening day roster.

 

I'm not typically a betting man, but I would wager at least eleventy bajillion dollars that all 3 of those players are on the opening day roster (barring injury/death/earth exploding etc...)

 

None of those guys are getting traded. Period.

[Qwerty]

Trust me that this is a thing.

 

I will reference dumping bonifacio, the ervin santana fiasco and moises sierra as evidence. Probably the treatment of esmil rogers too but i cant prove that as easily.

 

None of these moves (except probably rogers) were about money or performance.

 

Bonifacio only had a few million left on his contract and you had to believe he'd turn things around a bit. It was very non AA like to give up on a trade investment that quickly.

 

Ervin santana appeared to be the absolute perfect option. Decent track record, one year contract. Theres absolutely no reason we couldnt have paid 1M-2M more to bring him in. Theres also no reason he wouldnt have wanted to come to Toronto.

 

So our GM said im gonna make our "leaders" defer to support his season. Put your money where your mouth is.

 

And they did. A mix of dominicans and non dominicans. But we didnt budge a dollar beyond that.

 

This team doesnt want colorful individual personalities. They want quiet winners with proven leadership.

 

EE fits the bill. Reyes and Bautista do not. They happen to be great ballplayers but we are better if we dont have both of them.

[Qwerty]

You are on

[Qwerty]

Winning the wbc was the point of the statement.

 

Im not racist.

 

If every dominican player played like EE i wouldnt be saying this.

 

There is a clear positive correlation between dominican players and extent to which the game is played in a colorful manner.

 

Its not a bad thing. Only in bunches.

[Deadpool]

I will reference dumping bonifacio, the ervin santana fiasco and moises sierra as evidence. Probably the treatment of esmil rogers too but i cant prove that as easily.

 

None of these moves (except probably rogers) were about money or performance.

 

Sierra was terribad, the only reason he was ever with the big club (beyond a september call-up) is the fact that Alex hates losing assets, Bonifacio was brutally terrible while he was here. Rogers was sort of meh... Those are all about performance (not really money because none were paid a huge sum...)

 

I also have still not seen any credible report of the payroll deferment thing actually happening, just rumour and speculation, and even that isn't as clear about if it was the players' idea, or management's.

[Mikeleelop]

Mods - please close this thread.

[Mikeleelop]

Winning the wbc was the point of the statement.

 

Im not racist.

 

If every dominican player played like EE i wouldnt be saying this.

 

There is a clear positive correlation between dominican players and extent to which the game is played in a colorful manner.

 

Its not a bad thing. Only in bunches.

 

Again Racist........

[Qwerty]

Torri hunter can play RF. We wouldnt be pursuing him to play left

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Reyes and Dickey and platoon partner yes! Navarro suck it or Maybe! Bautista and EE stay for now! But remember never say never!

[TwistedLogic]

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