Jays Not Selling???

[Dick_Pole]

a win is a win is a win

 

When people post this brilliant argument, they often ignore the context of this team. It's a lot more profitable to do something about this bush league MIF situation when Reyes/Lawrie are injured than it is to try to upgrade on Happ.

[glory]

Gose/Pillar yes, Reyes to 2B no, and Navarro still has a year left.. but we do have Jimenez in AAA, who we might see in September if healthy.

 

Why not move Reyes over to 2B? It should hopefully improve his defensive value and assuming they actually get a good defensive short-stop, should improve the MI defense considerably. I think JJ Hardy would be perfect for this team, or if there is a trade to be made with the D-Backs for Didi, that would be good too.

 

Navarro can always been moved to back-up catcher, or traded. I just think his defense/pitch framing is terrible and his offense isn't nearly good enough to compensate for it. We don't even need to sign Martin to upgrade. Trade for someone like Rene Rivera (hitting OK and playing good defense for the Padres but stuck behind Grandal). It would be cheap, a defensive upgrade, and not much difference offensively to Navarro. These tiny upgrades will make a difference overall.

 

I'm drawing a blank on what the Jays could do for LF. There is not much out there. Maybe trade for Craig Gentry, stick him in LF, and hope his plus defense and speed will make up for his lack of power. He was a 3 WAR player with less than 300 PA's a year for the Rangers, so maybe he's a good buy low candidate if Beane wants to move an OF, but Beane is usually smart about players like that.

 

Regardless, if the team drastically changes its team building philosophy, they might be able to make up some ground in terms of internal improvement. Whether that's enough to make the playoffs is another story, but it's worth a shot. The all power/no defense strategy has failed miserably.

[Key22]

Jaysfan

 

It is important to note that the teams over the last 2 years that made the playoffs had top 5-7 pitching staffs. The teams with great pitching that missed had league worst offense or very near league worst offense in terms of runs scored. Ciny is an exception to this but an exception isn't a rule.

 

The Jays offense is good enough that a top 5 team ERA would put them in the playoffs. Stacking the offense doesn't work against elite pitching.

 

The Jays could probably trade for pitching but as we saw at the deadline - to get John Lester you have to trade Cespedes. Or in our case we would have to trade Jose Bautista or EE. Unfortunately, chicks dig the home run - so that's probably not happening.

 

We can't sign FA's because we don't seem to have the money or the will to give 5 year deals to pitchers. We don't want to trade the young pitchers because they look pretty darn good at this point. Further we don;t have the depth in the farm to make multiple trades. So what can we do? Ride out another season with the same lot into the land of mediocrity.

 

Or take steps back and unload Dickey, Buehrle, Baustista, Encarnacion, Reyes and trade these 5 guys to bolster the minors. I have no problem with a young hungry team - add a few veteran innings eaters to the rotation as stop gaps and a couple of pen guys and go with the youth.

[GD]

When people post this brilliant argument, they often ignore the context of this team. It's a lot more profitable to do something about this bush league MIF situation when Reyes/Lawrie are injured than it is to try to upgrade on Happ.

 

You're absolutely, positively correct. I'm addressing the "we need to be top 5 in ERA" guy.

[jays4life19]

What kind of contract do you guys think Stephen Drew will get? He's been terrible this year (-0.2 fWAR) but probably has a pretty good chance to be at least decent next year. Obviously he's probably looking at another one year deal and i can't see him getting a whole lot of money. Having him at 2nd (and depth for SS incase of Reyes injury would be real nice). The 2nd base FA market is pretty thin.

 

Maybe he'll fire Boras and we'll have a shot. Rogers Centre is not a bad place for a hitter looking to rebuild his value.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I see Lind Rasmus and Morrow(?) as dead men walking and gone!

 

Melky needs to be resigned and maybe Jansen.

 

Reyes, Dickey&Thole and maybe buehrle moved! Even if we eat half it is a win.

 

Depending on who or what we get line up of:

 

1st Edwin

2nd Lawrie

SS Goins

3rd Bautista

C Navarro

OF Pillar, Pompey and Gose

Dh Melky

 

I would love to trade Reyes,Dickey&Thole, Lind and izturis and if they want Rasmus or Jansen as throw ins to San Fran

For Blackburn and Crick and Scutaro. If no money needed to complete the deal I would even consider one of Blackburn crick and Scutaro a win for this team! As we bank at least 30 mill to spend else where!

[ElNik2013]

What kind of contract do you guys think Stephen Drew will get? He's been terrible this year (-0.2 fWAR) but probably has a pretty good chance to be at least decent next year. Obviously he's probably looking at another one year deal and i can't see him getting a whole lot of money. Having him at 2nd (and depth for SS incase of Reyes injury would be real nice). The 2nd base FA market is pretty thin.

 

Maybe he'll fire Boras and we'll have a shot. Rogers Centre is not a bad place for a hitter looking to rebuild his value.

 

 

Or maybe he won't fire Boras and we won't have a shot. Boy I didn't know hes been this bad. Imagine if AA had signed him and Jimenez....people would be a little bit more pissed...

[BTS]

The thing with Lind is that he takes up two roster spots (one for him and one for his platoon buddy). I mean, as good as Lind has been against RHP, how have his platoon mates been? This season, Navarro is hitting .270/.309/.374 against lefties. Moises Sierra had 2 hits and 1 walk in 35 PA's with the Jays so I don't think searching his splits are necessary. Valencia should be an improvement there, but you have to pay him a salary to sit on the bench and only hit against lefties (plus you have to hope his splits continue despite a relatively small sample size against LHP). You get the idea. Factor in Lind's brittle body and bad defense, and I'm not sure it's a no brainer to bring him back.

 

Would a more split neutral 1B with better defense be an improvement? I tend to think it would, but then as you said, the team would have to find a cheap solution, and I'm not sure Alex is capable of that. I'd take that chance, though.

 

I think you just have to make sure that the guy splitting time with him has other uses. Giving Sierra the job was stupid because he was a below-average bat with no evidence of a platoon skill. If you use a guy like Valencia, who's probably above-average vs. LHP, can play first , and can be half of a 3B platoon when Lawrie goes down, you're not wasting a roster spot.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Think the dodgers would do Rasmus for Scott van slyke ?

 

Might be a nice bench bat and can hit left hand pitching too, cheap as well!

[GD]

Rasmus for van Slyke

 

wow

[BTS]

Rasmus for van Slyke

 

wow

 

For real?

[GD]

For real?

 

No, BBBB suggested it above my post, but you likely have him on ignore

 

As well as half the team for Blackburn and Crick

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

No, BBBB suggested it above my post, but you likely have him on ignore

 

As well as half the team for Blackburn and Crick

 

Rasmus walks for nothing as we will not be resigning him!

 

Not sure how four players is half the team! Lol

 

And only 3 of them might be here next year to boot!

 

Slyke may not be sexy but the guy can hit left hand pitching so he provides some value as a bench bat at least!

[BTS]

No, BBBB suggested it above my post, but you likely have him on ignore

 

As well as half the team for Blackburn and Crick

 

Damn. Yeah I have him on ignore. I thought for a minute that AA had done a wonderful thing.

[GD]

Damn. Yeah I have him on ignore. I thought for a minute that AA had done a wonderful thing.

 

Yeah the Dodgers are gonna deal a ~120 wRC+ bat who can play 1B/OF for a can't hit lefty outfielder that they already have in Andre Ethier except this one is expiring because rum

[jays4life19]

Yeah the Dodgers are gonna deal a ~120 wRC+ bat who can play 1B/OF for a can't hit lefty outfielder that they already have in Andre Ethier except this one is expiring because rum

 

Speaking of Scott Van Slyke. He's an excellent play on Fan Duel today for a bargain price of 2600$

 

You want to do a free head to head today?

[GD]

Speaking of Scott Van Slyke. He's an excellent play on Fan Duel today for a bargain price of 2600$

 

You want to do a free head to head today?

 

If you set it up right now, sure.

[jays4life19]

If you set it up right now, sure.

 

 

https://www.fanduel.com/entry/ECUEFCDWS?invitedby=kenssb&cnl=aa

[BTS]

Van Slyke is a monster vs. LHP this year, I knew he was hitting them well but...

 

.277/.413/.663 for a .456 wOBA, 199 wRC+ on a .288 BABIP.

 

100 PAs don't mean a hell of a lot, but that's disturbingly good, like pre-roid Barry from the short side of a platoon.

 

Colour me intrigued.

 

Seems to be a pretty good COF defender too. 2.1 fWAR in 205 PA is silly.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Shifting Reyes over to 2B and finding a real SS would help.

 

Saying a vet should switch positions is easier said than done....

 

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_26440800/troy-tulowitzki-determined-stay-at-shortstop-despite-injuries

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Plus would not Colby be seen as a upgrade from this in Center field ?

 

14 Ethier, A LAD CF 114 322 25 80 15 6 4 40 26 69 2 2 .248 .312 .370 .681

[BTS]

Saying a vet should switch positions is easier said than done....

 

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_26440800/troy-tulowitzki-determined-stay-at-shortstop-despite-injuries

 

ugh

[GD]

Plus would not Colby be seen as a upgrade from this in Center field ?

 

14 Ethier, A LAD CF 114 322 25 80 15 6 4 40 26 69 2 2 .248 .312 .370 .681

 

Joc Pederson > both

[GeorgiaPeach]

ugh

 

I think if push came to shove Tulo would switch positions.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Joc Pederson > both

 

But how does he enter into the picture for you even!

 

Where is he ?

[GD]

But how does he enter into the picture for you even!

 

Where is he ?

 

On the Dodgers' AAA team and Ethier's contract is blocking him so why on earth would they just add someone else to block him too

[Horses Fart]

If Lawrie goes down.

 

Ha! If, should be like when he goes down, we all know f***in well that he will only play a third of the season next year.

[GD]

I believe in Masai!

 

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

On the Dodgers' AAA team and Ethier's contract is blocking him so why on earth would they just add someone else to block him too

 

Colby is a rental and a upgrade and with slyke gone it opens up a spot on the roster for him next year would it not?

 

Plus it's the dodgers not the jays is ethier's contract blocking him? I would beg to differ if they wanted the could make him or another fielder disappear in a trade even if they had to eat some salary to do it!

[GD]

Colby is a rental and a upgrade and with slyke gone it opens up a spot on the roster for him next year would it not?

 

Colby is not an upgrade and more control is better than less control

 

Ideally they deal Ethier and promote Pederson who's miles better than Colby