GDT : - Rest of the season.

[glory]

McGowan's option better not be picked up. This organization has given him free money for years because they didn't want another Carpenter situation. McGowan is clearly not going to be Chris Carpenter. Move on.

[guylaroche5]

jeter's first decent play all game, RIP jays

[bluebird]

500 team could be worse

[North of 60]

Don't worry guys, if we win 20 in a row we will back in the playoff race.

[o2cui2i]

Go Packers

[comeon sense]

Jays fans make them the home team at several venues during the year. ie Seattle, Detroit... they have a huge and radical core of fans and millions of band wagoners who are just waiting for the front office and players to finally have a year that isn't utterly disappointing.

 

once again it's not this year.

 

 

get em tomorrow.

I think its Leaf fans who happen to be at baseball game,and are polite.

If they were real jay fans they would boo gibbons every time,and boo the team off the field like Leaf fans do.

[Vincent]

McGowan's option better not be picked up. This organization has given him free money for years because they didn't want another Carpenter situation. McGowan is clearly not going to be Chris Carpenter. Move on.

 

Subpar reliever is subpar

[o2cui2i]

I think its Leaf fans who happen to be at baseball game,and are polite.

If they were real jay fans they would boo gibbons every time,and boo the team off the field like Leaf fans do.

 

dont be an ass

 

 

respect the people who pay money to watch the games. anyone still going to games is a fan.

 

Leafs fans dont boo, they put paper bags over their heads in embarrassment.

[comeon sense]

dont be an ass

 

 

respect the people who pay money to watch the games. anyone still going to games is a fan.

 

Leafs fans dont boo, they put paper bags over their heads in embarrassment.

Wasn,t trying to be one.

I just think quite a few are Leaf fans who have money.Its good they support the team,and all.Just wish it wasn,t such a hockey mad city.

[o2cui2i]

Wasn,t trying to be one.

I just think quite a few are Leaf fans who have money.Its good they support the team,and all.Just wish it wasn,t such a hockey mad city.

 

Jays have a solid base. Problem is that their base is spread across the second biggest country in the world. Jays have great traveling fans and get support in all 30 ball parks, some more than others.

 

I love a lot of sports and follow several avidly, but baseball is the only one I pay to see every game.

 

I respect fans who are still getting to games when things are so bad. I know a lot of people buy tickets early, but the teams walk up sales are still good for a team performing so poorly.

 

they could be one of the biggest teams in any sport if they could just be good. I have no idea why Rogers doesn't see the huge untapped market that they are just kissing off by not getting the team in order. bad business.... a company is supposed to make as much money as possible. Jays are not even close to what the earnings should be.

[RealAccountant]

McGowan's option better not be picked up. This organization has given him free money for years because they didn't want another Carpenter situation. McGowan is clearly not going to be Chris Carpenter. Move on.

 

Its still early in McGowan's career

[RealAccountant]

Realistic caller : Jays should sell some of their Guys and start a rebuild

Wilner : Jays have the best top 5 in baseball

Realistic caller : if that's true why aren't we in the playoffs

Wilner : it doesn't make sense they should be. We are seeing a pennant race

[RealAccountant]

Good thing we didn't acquire Prado not when we have a superior platoon in Kawasaki \ Tolleson

[comeon sense]

They have been so close so many times with the Halladay-Carpenter era etc.

If it wasn,t for the injuries we would have had at least 2 post season appearances.

I love seeing all the blue jays fans at all our road games,in every city this season.

 

Yes...you are absolutely spot on about Rogers.

They are complete idiots,and have always had a corporate mentality,since Ted Rogers passing.

 

 

Jays have a solid base. Problem is that their base is spread across the second biggest country in the world. Jays have great traveling fans and get support in all 30 ball parks, some more than others.

 

I love a lot of sports and follow several avidly, but baseball is the only one I pay to see every game.

 

I respect fans who are still getting to games when things are so bad. I know a lot of people buy tickets early, but the teams walk up sales are still good for a team performing so poorly.

 

they could be one of the biggest teams in any sport if they could just be good. I have no idea why Rogers doesn't see the huge untapped market that they are just kissing off by not getting the team in order. bad business.... a company is supposed to make as much money as possible. Jays are not even close to what the earnings should be.

[comeon sense]

Good thing we didn't acquire Prado not when we have a superior platoon in Kawasaki \ Tolleson

whew,dodged a bullet there.

[RealAccountant]

They have been so close so many times with the Halladay-Carpenter era etc.

If it wasn,t for the injuries we would have had at least 2 post season appearances.

I love seeing all the blue jays fans at all our road games,in every city this season.

 

Yes...you are absolutely spot on about Rogers.

They are complete idiots,and have always had a corporate mentality,since Ted Rogers passing.

 

The Halladay/Carpenter ERA

 

Would like to visit that parralell universe

[jaysfan2014]

They have been so close so many times with the Halladay-Carpenter era etc.

If it wasn,t for the injuries we would have had at least 2 post season appearances.

I love seeing all the blue jays fans at all our road games,in every city this season.

 

Yes...you are absolutely spot on about Rogers.

They are complete idiots,and have always had a corporate mentality,since Ted Rogers passing.

 

Hopefully the Jays don't have the same issue with injuries with their young core of starters (Hutchison, Stroman, Sanchez, Norris, Graveman) than they had during the Halladay and Carpenter eras. The Halladay era was littered with injured arms (Chacin, Litsch, McGowan, Marcum) and busts (Purcey, Romero).

[jaysfan2014]

whew,dodged a bullet there.

 

Prado was Yankees bound no matter what.. the Yanks already pretty much had a deal ready while they were acquiring McCarthy, plus 28 other teams weren't touching that huge contract the D-Backs owed him.

[RealAccountant]

Hopefully the Jays don't have the same issue with injuries with their young core of starters (Hutchison, Stroman, Sanchez, Norris, Graveman) than they had during the Halladay and Carpenter eras. The Halladay era was littered with injured arms (Chacin, Litsch, McGowan, Marcum) and busts (Purcey, Romero).

 

All teams have injuries. The pitchers mentioned were all below average even when healthy

[RealAccountant]

Prado was Yankees bound no matter what.. the Yanks already pretty much had a deal ready while they were acquiring McCarthy, plus 28 other teams weren't touching that huge contract the D-Backs owed him.

 

Yeah its called spending money. Of course AA busted his load on other teams Free Agent mistakes lol

[wilko]

Damn you Buehrle and your typical 13 win seasons.

[jaysfan2014]

Yeah its called spending money. Of course AA busted his load on other teams Free Agent mistakes lol

 

Yanks better enjoy it now.. they have little flexibility below the tax in 2015(at $168.768M for 10 players, or $180M including benefits) with A-Rod's money back on the books, and needing a lot of things, including a 2B, SS, a closer and starting pitching. And Robertson, IF he returns, is getting a huge raise. Headley won't be back.. Yanks have no room to give him a multi-year deal until A-Rod comes off the books and off 3B.

[RealAccountant]

Yanks better enjoy it now.. they have little flexibility below the tax in 2015(at $168.768M for 10 players, or $180M including benefits) with A-Rod's money back on the books, and needing a lot of things, including a 2B, SS, a closer and starting pitching. And Robertson, IF he returns, is getting a huge raise. Headley won't be back.. Yanks have no room to give him a multi-year deal until A-Rod comes off the books and off 3B.

 

They'll find a way. Always do

[TheHurl]

Are we just continuing on yesterday's GDT?

[BTS]

Looks that way. They came close to keeping people interested into September, but couldn't quite make it.

[RealAccountant]

Another homerun for Bautista that's 4 in 4 games

[RealAccountant]

Lol @ mods losing their cool

 

Get a grip guys Hutch pitching well

[guylaroche5]

anyone watch chelsea vs everton earlier? crazy ass game

[jaysfan2014]

Just a look at what the Yankees' payroll situation is for next year, assuming current in house options are used, and with very rough arby approximations (assumes all arby-eligible are tendered a contract). These are all AAV numbers for luxury tax calcs ... not cash outlays ...

 

[TABLE=width: 582]

[TR]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2015[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]C[/TD]

[TD]McCann[/TD]

[TD]17[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]1B[/TD]

[TD]Tex[/TD]

[TD]22.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2B[/TD]

[TD]Refsnyder[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]SS[/TD]

[TD]Ryan[/TD]

[TD]2[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]3B[/TD]

[TD]ARod[/TD]

[TD]27.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]DH[/TD]

[TD]Random Player[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]LF[/TD]

[TD]Gardner[/TD]

[TD]13[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]RF[/TD]

[TD]Beltran[/TD]

[TD]15[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]CF[/TD]

[TD]Ellsbury[/TD]

[TD]21.86[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]SP1[/TD]

[TD]Sabathia[/TD]

[TD]24.4[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]SP2[/TD]

[TD]Tanaka[/TD]

[TD]22.14[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]SP3[/TD]

[TD]Pineda[/TD]

[TD]1.5[/TD]

[TD]arby1[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]SP4[/TD]

[TD]Phelps[/TD]

[TD]1.5[/TD]

[TD]arby1[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]SP5[/TD]

[TD]Greene[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]CL[/TD]

[TD]Betances[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]SU[/TD]

[TD]Kelley[/TD]

[TD]2.5[/TD]

[TD]arby2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]SU[/TD]

[TD]Outman[/TD]

[TD]2[/TD]

[TD]arby3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]MR[/TD]

[TD]Warren[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]MR[/TD]

[TD]Huff[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]MR[/TD]

[TD]Rogers[/TD]

[TD]2[/TD]

[TD]arby2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]LR[/TD]

[TD]Nova[/TD]

[TD]4.5[/TD]

[TD]arby2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Bench1[/TD]

[TD]Wheeler[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Bench2[/TD]

[TD]Cervelli[/TD]

[TD]1.5[/TD]

[TD]arby2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Bench3[/TD]

[TD]Random Player[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Bench4/MR[/TD]

[TD]Whitley[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Benefits + Rounding Out 40 Man[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD=align: right]12[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Total[/TD]

[TD]Payroll[/TD]

[TD]197.4[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Luxury Tax Threshold[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD]189[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Threshold Underage/Overage[/TD]

[TD].[/TD]

[TD=align: right]-8.4[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

Chances are Refsnyder gets traded. This is an organization where their prospects rarely get to play in the big leagues, plus they've been playing him in the OF in AAA along with 2B.

 

And a number of those arms in the pen will be DFAd/non-tendered(Rogers, Outman). And the Yanks won't play Ryan every day at SS.. they're more likely to blow money on a SS (possibly Hardy) than have Ryan in the lineup. In addition, they'll likely spend on a SP because there are question regarding Tanaka and Sabathia's health. And that's a terrible bench, and you left out Martin Prado.

 

Basically, the Yanks are going to be well over the tax.

[jaysfan2014]

What in the hell are you talking about? "Flexibility below the tax" has nothing to do with anything. Their alleged desire to get below the threshold was blown to bits by their own subsequent actions. It's not relevant (and, regardless, you're using cash payroll figures in your stated numbers, which are not relevant - you must calc out the AAV figures). They will be over the threshold amount in 2015.

 

The numbers I got came from Cot's. And yes, they will be over the tax.