Offseason roster thread 2014

[Brenner]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/blue-jays-receiving-calls-on-adam-lind.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

Neil Walker available? Though Lind is likely closer to Pedro Alvarez value.

[KingKat]

Neil Walker available? Though Lind is likely closer to Pedro Alvarez value.

 

Walker is a native of Pittsburgh and an extremely popular Pirate. Trading him would be very unpopular and it would just create another hole. He probably stays put.

[glory]

I remember reading that AA asked for Walker in return for Lind last off-season and was turned down. I'd imagine the Pirates could do better for Walker than Lind. Plus, moving Alvarez to 1B and Harrison to 3B makes far more sense for them.

[glory]

Oh crap, it's going to be Lind for Tabata, isn't it?

[TDotttt2005]

Oh crap, it's going to be Lind for Tabata, isn't it?

 

Travis Snider Please.

[Angrioter]

Lind for hardthrower reliever in 3....2....1

[Frenchsoup]

Lind for hardthrower reliever in 3....2....1

 

Yeah i could see a Tony Watson

[glory]

Yeah I'm going to guess Tabata and a reliever (Watson, Pimentel, or someone like that). No way the Pirates take Lind's entire salary. They'll stick Tabata on us, and Alex will take it as long as he gets the reliever he so desperately loves.

[Angrioter]

Tabata was available for free.

 

Snider and Watson for Lind+

[glory]

Tabata was available for free.

 

Yeah but the Jays do not know if Melky will accept the QO yet. It's a safe bet he won't, but they wouldn't add Tabata's salary without settling the Melky situation first. Once the QO is declined and Melky is gone, then that opens the door for the Jays to take Tabata's salary plus a reliever.

 

Trust me, I don't even want Tabata, I'd prefer they go super athletic in the OF, but he pretty much check marks everything that Alex likes. Three team options, not criminally overpaid, Latin, and fills a need. I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen.

[jaysblue]

Lind for Morton.

[GD]

Lind for Morton.

 

I came up with this nearly a full year ago and NJH crushed me for it, lol.

[jaysblue]

I came up with this nearly a full year ago and NJH crushed me for it, lol.

 

He's under club control through 2017 at a very reasonable salary (2017 team option). If he's healthy, he's a valuable arm in any rotation.

[Jimcanuck]

I don't think Pirates trade Snider for Lind.... so sad

[jaysblue]

I don't think Pirates trade Snider for Lind.... so sad

 

Snider is 5 years young, can at least play an OF spot and is making a lot less. I think the Pirates would have to shed some salary if they added Lind which is why Morton could be a fit since he's scheduled to make $8 million.

[Laika]

Pedro Alvarez would be a pretty sweet get for Lind. Sounds like Pitt could roll with Harrison at 3B.

 

Toronto would get the age 28 and 29 seasons of a guy who is slightly better than Juan Francisco in every important way.

 

I'd much rather go Alvarez-Reyes-Lawrie than Lawrie-Reyes-Goins/Kawasaki. They would NEED to sit Alvarez against most LHP though, so maybe get a RHB MIF for the bench and run the platoon with Lawrie bouncing from 3B to 2B.

 

Charlie Morton would seem pretty redundant - not much different from Happ who is under control as the SP6 for similar monies.

[jaysblue]

Pedro Alvarez would be a pretty sweet get for Lind. Sounds like Pitt could roll with Harrison at 3B.

 

Toronto would get the age 28 and 29 seasons of a guy who is slightly better than Juan Francisco in every important way.

 

I'd much rather go Alvarez-Reyes-Lawrie than Lawrie-Reyes-Goins/Kawasaki. They would NEED to sit Alvarez against most LHP though, so maybe get a RHB MIF for the bench and run the platoon with Lawrie bouncing from 3B to 2B.

 

Charlie Morton would seem pretty redundant - not much different from Happ who is under control as the SP6 for similar monies.

 

Yeah if you could get Pedro for Lind, that would be sweet.

 

Pedro and Valencia at 3B platooning, and then Lawrie at 2B. Infield is solved.

[z3r0s]

Pedro Alvarez would be a pretty sweet get for Lind. Sounds like Pitt could roll with Harrison at 3B.

 

Toronto would get the age 28 and 29 seasons of a guy who is slightly better than Juan Francisco in every important way.

 

I'd much rather go Alvarez-Reyes-Lawrie than Lawrie-Reyes-Goins/Kawasaki. They would NEED to sit Alvarez against most LHP though, so maybe get a RHB MIF for the bench and run the platoon with Lawrie bouncing from 3B to 2B.

 

Charlie Morton would seem pretty redundant - not much different from Happ who is under control as the SP6 for similar monies.

 

Plus if you are going to try and catch lightning in a bottle (again), this is a guy you can see it with.

[glory]

Man, Lind for Alvarez would be amazing but would the Pirates actually make a move like that? Alvarez's value can't be that low.

[Laika]

Man, Lind for Alvarez would be amazing but would the Pirates actually make a move like that? Alvarez's value can't be that low.

 

I think it's plausible that they'd trade Alvarez given the emergence of Harrison and the fact that Pedro is entering arb2, but I guess I don't really see what the Pirates would want with Lind unless they don't like Ike Davis anymore.

[RealAccountant]

With the way some people talk here I would think jays have 30 roster spots. They want a platoon on 2nd platoon at dh platoon at lf platoon at cf

 

Lmao

[glory]

I think it's plausible that they'd trade Alvarez given the emergence of Harrison and the fact that Pedro is entering arb2, but I guess I don't really see what the Pirates would want with Lind unless they don't like Ike Davis anymore.

 

The Pirates would be better off ditching Ike Davis and playing Alvarez at 1B, rather than trading Alvarez for Lind. I'm sure if they dangled Alvarez in a trade they could get someone better than Lind, probably a SP upgrade. Depends what PA's value is, though. He's coming off a bad season, but 2.3 and 3.1 WAR's the previous two years respectively. I'd do that deal in a heartbeat but don't think Pitts would.

 

Since this is Alex we are talking about, it will almost certainly be a reliever coming in return. We just have to hope he can convince a team to add a useful position players on top of that.

[Laika]

The Pirates would be better off ditching Ike Davis and playing Alvarez at 1B, rather than trading Alvarez for Lind. I'm sure if they dangled Alvarez in a trade they could get someone better than Lind, probably a SP upgrade. Depends what PA's value is, though. He's coming off a bad season, but 2.3 and 3.1 WAR's the previous two years respectively. I'd do that deal in a heartbeat but don't think Pitts would.

 

Since this is Alex we are talking about, it will almost certainly be a reliever coming in return. We just have to hope he can convince a team to add a useful position players on top of that.

 

Hey, even if he can trade Lind @ $7M for a cheap and good reliever with some control, that could be a great move. Platoon DHs can carry some value but I'm not a huge fan of what they do to the roster.

[BTS]

Relief Pitchers

David Aardsma

Mike Adams *

Matt Albers *

Burke Badenhop

Ronald Belisario

Matt Belisle

Heath Bell

Craig Breslow *

Sean Burnett *

Jared Burton *

Tim Byrdak

Joba Chamberlain

Phil Coke

Manny Corpas

Jesse Crain

Scott Downs *

Kyle Farnsworth

Jason Frasor

Kyuji Fujikawa *

Tom Gorzelanny

Luke Gregerson

Jason Grilli

LaTroy Hawkins *

Luke Hochevar

J.P. Howell

Casey Janssen

Jim Johnson

Matt Lindstrom

Brandon Lyon

Carlos Marmol

Dustin McGowan *

Jose Mijares

Andrew Miller

Franklin Morales

Jason Motte

Peter Moylan

Pat Neshek

Darren O’Day *

Juan Carlos Oviedo

Vicente Padilla

Chris Perez

J.J. Putz

David Robertson

Francisco Rodriguez

Sergio Romo

Joakim Soria *

Rafael Soriano *

Huston Street *

Joe Thatcher

Koji Uehara

Jose Veras *

Jamey Wright

 

Why would anyone trade anything for a reliever when there are over 50 to chose from in free agency? I wouldn't expect any trades for relievers until AA strikes out on the FA market,and since he seems to over value relievers,i'd guess he manages to land at least one of the more prominent ones.

 

Because, presumably, there is a finite amount of money available to be spent, and trading for a pre-arb reliever is a lot more preferable to paying sticker price on a similarly skilled free agent.

[reedjohnsonfan]

They should sign Roberston. Legitimate top tier closer with plenty of years left, assuming he stays healthy.

[RealAccountant]

Hey, even if he can trade Lind @ $7M for a cheap and good reliever with some control, that could be a great move. Platoon DHs can carry some value but I'm not a huge fan of what they do to the roster.

 

Yep. Plus John Mayberry Jr. can probably produce the same numbers as Lind, because that is the guys starting at DH if Lind is not around.

[BTS]

They should sign Roberston. Legitimate top tier closer with plenty of years left, assuming he stays healthy.

 

You're saying this to be contrarian, but it's a very bad idea.

[Abomination]

They should sign Roberston. Legitimate top tier closer with plenty of years left, assuming he stays healthy.

 

He'll get way too much money. Not worth the premium.

[reedjohnsonfan]

You're saying this to be contrarian, but it's a very bad idea.

 

No I'm saying this because I want them to be the Dodgers, much like you do.

[BTS]

Yep. Plus John Mayberry Jr. can probably produce the same numbers as Lind, because that is the guys starting at DH if Lind is not around.

 

Mayberry is a replacement-level hack who probably isn't even average offensively. Lind is comfortably above average as a hitter. You lose 1-2 wins in that exchange.