kgm1 Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) Posed to me by a long time Player, coach, and umpire of Rec. league ball And don't cheat by looking on the internet There are 15 ways a runner can score from 3rd base on the official score card. Now I rattled off 10 right away and after some brief thought got 3 more . I have one more after thinking a little . Here are the easy ones 1. Single 2. Double 3. Triple 4. HR 5. Error 6. Sacrifice 7. Balk 8. Fan Interference 9. SB 10. Bases loaded walk 11. Fielders choice 12. Passed ball 13 wild pitch Edited August 18, 2014 by kgm1
guylaroche5 Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 obstruction ala boston vs st louis
vdartanian Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 you have HR down 2X Also would think sacrifice fly/sacrifice (via bunt) would be two different items
kgm1 Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Author Posted August 18, 2014 you have HR down 2X Also would think sacrifice fly/sacrifice (via bunt) would be two different items That was supposed to be SB I had them in a different order and started to switch them and I guess I didn't finish. A Sacrifice is still a sacrifice . Catchers interfence is right but i believe that now makes it 16 different ways. It Is obstruction.
kgm1 Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Author Posted August 18, 2014 I do believe I have the last but I will give people time to put it down and then see if it is covered by any other.
kgm1 Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Author Posted August 18, 2014 There are more than 15, or less, maybe. First, you have HR listed twice, so you have 12 listed there. On top of that, you have to add some ones that people have mentioned. Obstruction. Catcher's interference. SB. That gets you to 15. And, HBP (bases loaded) That would bring you to 16. But I would include Single, Double, Triple and HR as one category of "Hit." Dropping you down to 13. Read above posts Moogy. I answered most of your post As for Hit, I asked him that so would love someone who is an official scorer to wade in on that . HBP with bases loaded is good . How did I miss that one ! Anyway, the one I was thinking on is wrong as it would be considered a hit.
Dylan Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Two outs, dropped third strike, and the runner from 3rd scores and runner safe at 1st? How is that scored?
kgm1 Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Author Posted August 18, 2014 That is 16 with catchers interference which is a new rule this year. he said this was an old question posed to him by a friend and it took him a year to get them all . Thanks for the help guys . I will have to confess that I had to ask for help on the last one .
kgm1 Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Author Posted August 18, 2014 Two outs, dropped third strike, and the runner from 3rd scores before the force out at 1st? How is that scored? I would think stolen base.
Dylan Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 I would think stolen base. Even if bases were loaded? *Meant to say hitter was safe at 1st.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 I wonder if there's ever been a swipe of home that's been ruled as defensive indifference, or if, theoretically, it could ever happen? Up by a ton of runs in the 9th inning and the lone baserunner at 3B trots in as the pitcher and catcher look on. Without looking it up, I don't recall anything in the rules precluding this characterization, but would you ever see an actual scoring play be characterized as "indifference," no matter the situation? It's not specifically addressed in the rules. It would be theoretically possible to make that judgement call even if it seems highly unlikely. The official scorer shall not score a stolen base when a runner advances solely because of the defensive team's indifference to the runner’s advance. The official scorer shall score such a play as a fielder's choice. Rule 10.07(g) Comment: The scorer shall consider, in judging whether the defensive team has been indifferent to a runner’s advance, the totality of the circumstances, including the inning and score of the game, whether the defensive team had held the runner on base, whether the pitcher had made any pickoff attempts on that runner before the runner’s advance, whether the fielder ordinarily expected to cover the base to which the runner advanced made a move to cover such base, whether the defensive team had a legitimate strategic motive to not contest the runner’s advance or whether the defensive team might be trying impermissibly to deny the runner credit for a stolen base. For example, with runners on first and third bases, the official scorer should ordinarily credit a stolen base when the runner on first advances to second, if, in the scorer’s judgment, the defensive team had a legitimate strategic motive—namely, preventing the runner on third base from scoring on the throw to second base—not to contest the runner’s advance to second base. The official scorer may conclude that the defensive team is impermissibly trying to deny a runner credit for a stolen base if, for example, the defensive team fails to defend the advance of a runner approaching a league or career record or a league statistical title.
kgm1 Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Author Posted August 18, 2014 Eh, if defensive indifference gets wrapped up into a fielder's choice characterization, then it's all moot, anyway. Already included. I think your HBP with bases loaded finished it Moogy .
baseballsss Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 If the runner was out at 1st, the run wouldn't count. If the runner was safe at 1st, it'd be a K and an FC. And if the bases were loaded, the catcher should know enough to simply step on home plate and get the easy put out. Arencbia would prob throw to second.
o2cui2i Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Posed to me by a long time Player, coach, and umpire of Rec. league ball And don't cheat by looking on the internet There are 15 ways a runner can score from 3rd base on the official score card. Now I rattled off 10 right away and after some brief thought got 3 more . I have one more after thinking a little . Here are the easy ones 1. Single 2. Double 3. Triple 4. HR 5. Error 6. Sacrifice 7. Balk 8. Fan Interference 9. SB 10. Bases loaded walk 11. Fielders choice 12. Passed ball 13 wild pitch passed ball, wild pitch are both errors. lol the jays winning choice this year is to GIDP with the bases loaded.
o2cui2i Community Moderator Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) come on.... can anyone beat GIDP with bases loaded??? has to be the absolute worst way to score a runner from third. Edited August 19, 2014 by o2cui2i
walkoff93 Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Attempted pickoff off attempt at third: Ball thrown away or a rundown occurs leading to the runner scoring.
vdartanian Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Attempted pickoff off attempt at third: Ball thrown away or a rundown occurs leading to the runner scoring. that would be an error
vdartanian Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Two outs, dropped third strike, and the runner from 3rd scores and runner safe at 1st? How is that scored? A force out on any base for the 3rd out nullifies any runs that score before the out is recorded. Happened to Santiago Nessy in Lansing earlier this year http://mwltraveler.com/2013/07/02/nessys-boner-leads-to-lugnuts-loss-after-lansing-won/ K (1-3) no run scored
IBTrini Verified Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 A force out on any base for the 3rd out nullifies any runs that score before the out is recorded. Happened to Santiago Nessy in Lansing earlier this year http://mwltraveler.com/2013/07/02/nessys-boner-leads-to-lugnuts-loss-after-lansing-won/ K (1-3) no run scored Does suicide squeeze count?
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 A force out on any base for the 3rd out nullifies any runs that score before the out is recorded. Happened to Santiago Nessy in Lansing earlier this year http://mwltraveler.com/2013/07/02/nessys-boner-leads-to-lugnuts-loss-after-lansing-won/ K (1-3) no run scored He said runner was safe at first. But it would be ruled as either a wild pitch or passed ball, so would be in that category I would think.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 18, 2014 Posted August 18, 2014 Does suicide squeeze count? Sacrifice
vdartanian Verified Member Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 He said runner was safe at first. But it would be ruled as either a wild pitch or passed ball, so would be in that category I would think. Misread on my part, thanks for picking that up
BigBounceyBlueBalls Old-Timey Member Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 What if the bunt was up the line, first base side and you have a fat as catcher ? I'm looking at you Navarro! Lol
closetjaysfan Verified Member Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Umpire interference with bases loaded would score a run. As a side note, I don't think it would be safe to wrap all of the interference into one category as they are all governed by pretty distinct rules.
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