Toronto Sun: Alex Anthopoulos will return next year

[JaysFan4Ever]

Well Steve Simmons is an awful reporter so this story is probably wrong anyways. I still think AA has the job next year but it has nothing to do with the garbage Steve Simmons writes about.

 

He'd have to show up in the middle of a game, drunk, naked, and rolling around on the infield shouting racial slurs before they'd fire him.

 

They might be giving him a chance to see what his game plan might be. He refused to part with some of the younger guys (the few who are left) and see if he can make something happen in the FA market. What's left to trade is really our depth and last prospects standing. Maybe they'll say here's your bed, lie in it for now. If they suck out loud next year then maybe they'll toss him and bring someone in after MB contract is off the books, RA might get the option declined etc.

 

I can applaud him for not dealing guys off the 25-man roster like Hutch (though I'd deal him for the right package) or Stro, Sanchez, but there are still needs to be met and the team came so close this year that something has to be done or he's gone for sure next year.

[GD]

idk if posted already but let us pray

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-anthopoulos-to-return-to-jays-next-season/

[abola2121]

idk if posted already but let us pray

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-anthopoulos-to-return-to-jays-next-season/

 

The outpouring of butthurt in those comments is quite amusing. Though If AA does get removed as GM, he'll probably get reassigned instead of outright fired, and either LaCava/Tinnish will succeed him.

[GD]

Tinnish would be ideal from what I've heard but meh, who knows.

[RealAccountant]

This very likely means that the rebuild doesn't start this offseason. So another wasted season in 2015, and hopefully a new management team before 2016. Figure on 3-4 years for the new group to clean up the mess and construct a new competitive core, and we're looking at contention in 2019-2020. If competent people are hired.

 

f***, I want so much to genuinely cheer for this team again.

 

This post captures the reality of the situation. Realistically we are looking at 2018 at the earliest, the 25th anniversary of a meaningful game

[GD]

Oh my s***:

 

The Jays have a lot of good players tied up for the next 2 seasons. Bautista, EE, Lawrie, Reyes, Lind / Valencia (they could turn out to be the bes DH platoon in baseball), Izturis, Goins, Gose, Cecil, Loup, Sanchez, Hutch, Bhurele, Dickie & Stroman.

 

I guess Rogers is happy as long as the TV ratings are decent so they can continue to sell advertising time on their sports channel during games.

 

He's done a good job. But he has to compete against the states. Baseball will shut again if we ever win back to back world series again.

 

We wouldnt have allstars if it wasnt for aa.

 

Rome wasn't built in a day ,the man is stockpiling some pretty good arms in the farm system.Smart move imo.

[burlingtonbandit]

Tinnish would be ideal from what I've heard but meh, who knows.

 

What do we really know about him? All I know is he went to Brock, is Canadianian and had a good couple of drafts as the scouting coordinator.

[baubau]

Oh my s***:

 

To be fair, the last comment isn't that far off. AA is stockpiling/stockpiled some pretty decent arms in the farm. Hutch, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, Hoffman, Synder.. er, um.. ignore this, Sanchez were all under his tenure no? By no means is he building a rotation of the Braves circa early 1990s, but he's built up a pretty decent arm farm.

 

E: Actually should AA be given credit for drafting these players or more so our scouts or a specific scout?

[Orgfiller]

Oh my s***:

 

"Bhurele"

 

I lost my s*** at that.

[ElNik2013]

To be fair, the last comment isn't that far off. AA is stockpiling/stockpiled some pretty decent arms in the farm. Hutch, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, Hoffman, Synder.. er, um.. ignore this, Sanchez were all under his tenure no? By no means is he building a rotation of the Braves circa early 1990s, but he's built up a pretty decent arm farm.

 

E: Actually should AA be given credit for drafting these players or more so our scouts or a specific scout?

 

 

You could add Miguel Castro to the list. Also Hutchison was drafted in 2009, but was largely developed during AA's tenure. Arguably, he was mishandled in the sense that he was rushed, but anyway.

 

Also, the way it works is that the GM gets credit for drafting players. Just like he gets the blame for the busts. I don't remember the Jays having had a top ranked farm system prior to AA's arrival.

 

At the end of the day though, he's had 5 years and the last 2 years has had a top 10 payroll. Things haven't worked out, but the owners may actually be satisfied with his job. We'll have to wait and see till there's official word.

[burlingtonbandit]

To be fair, the last comment isn't that far off. AA is stockpiling/stockpiled some pretty decent arms in the farm. Hutch, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, Hoffman, Synder.. er, um.. ignore this, Sanchez were all under his tenure no? By no means is he building a rotation of the Braves circa early 1990s, but he's built up a pretty decent arm farm.

 

E: Actually should AA be given credit for drafting these players or more so our scouts or a specific scout?

 

Probably all 3. AA oversees it and has final say but the scouting coordinator is making the picks and arranging a draft board.

[baubau]

At the end of the day though, he's had 5 years and the last 2 years has had a top 10 payroll. Things haven't worked out, but the owners may actually be satisfied with his job. We'll have to wait and see till there's official word.

 

Yeah, don't get me wrong by no means am I advocating keeping AA. I think he's failed in many aspects specifically with the Happ trade, Rogers trade and Mets trade. Not to mention that he hasn't built a competitive team despite having 10th highest payroll in baseball. He never addressed the bench, 2B and starting pitchers to start the season. Unfortunately, the Jays have a system of "rinse and repeat" while Beaston is around. He is the main person you'd want to get rid of otherwise we'll just have AA's assistant become the next GM.

[ElNik2013]

Yeah, don't get me wrong by no means am I advocating keeping AA. I think he's failed in many aspects specifically with the Happ trade, Rogers trade and Mets trade. Not to mention that he hasn't built a competitive team despite having 10th highest payroll in baseball. He never addressed the bench, 2B and starting pitchers to start the season. Unfortunately, the Jays have a system of "rinse and repeat" while Beaston is around. He is the main person you'd want to get rid of otherwise we'll just have AA's assistant become the next GM.

 

 

Don't get me wrong either, I'm not one of those who thinks firing AA is the answer. I've said many times it starts at the top and you move on down to the GM. Owners hire team presidents who then hire the GM. If AA continues as GM, it means the owners are satisfied with the job he's done.

 

This report by Simmons is probably premature and pure speculation.

[Ziggyy108]

Wont be shocked at all if Jose Bautista demands a trade from this dog s*** organization.

[GD]

To be fair, the last comment isn't that far off. AA is stockpiling/stockpiled some pretty decent arms in the farm. Hutch, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, Hoffman, Synder.. er, um.. ignore this, Sanchez, Castro were all under his tenure no? By no means is he building a rotation of the Braves circa early 1990s, but he's built up a pretty decent arm farm.

 

E: Actually should AA be given credit for drafting these players or more so our scouts or a specific scout?

 

2 of these guys will be average or better starters. If we're lucky, 3.

[ElNik2013]

Wont be shocked at all if Jose Bautista demands a trade from this dog s*** organization.

 

 

Neither would anyone else. As long as he keeps it quiet and doesn't hurt the Jays bargaining position, I wouldn't resent him for it.

[TheHurl]

Not too surprised. It was always pretty clear that the higher ups at Rogers don't really know what makes a good baseball ops department.

 

It's ok though, his replacement needs another year or two of grooming anyways from a PR standpoint.

 

Time for me to startup the Hurl PR company. I have someone to groom.

[TheHurl]

Comparing AA to Ruben Amaro is a bit too much for me.

 

Cause Ruben got to a final?

[baubau]

2 of these guys will be average or better starters. If we're lucky, 3.

 

Yes, but does that take away from the fact that AA has built up pretty decent arms?

 

In either case, was just pointing out that the final comment isn't as ridiculous as the rest.

[Hawkins]

It baffles my mind. Everyone knew we needed a 2nd baseman...Yet they didn't address the need the enitre season when there were opportunities to as well.

 

And they aren't in on Castillo either.

[TheHurl]

Escobar was dumped for P.R. reasons,

 

doesn't that say something about your GM. Not to mention...most of what he does is for PR reasons.

[ElNik2013]

doesn't that say something about your GM. Not to mention...most of what he does is for PR reasons.

 

 

Yes it does. However, it tells me more about his bosses. As I've said, if in fact this report is true, then his bosses must be satisfied with the job he's doing.

[kgm1]

Well, I was pretty happy he didn't sell off good assets at the deadline. Jesus, imagine this place if Stroman and Hutch were moved, without a Price extension.

 

The part that irks me most, is saying money was there, well a f***ing SP and 2nd baseman, would've been nice!! The Beest and AA were too busy despairing themselves, with a hat collection, they're lying through their teeth.

 

This winter will be interesting, regardless of our success or lack thereof.

 

THEY WERE DOING WHAT THEY WERE TOLD . The money was obviously NOT there . Rogers did not want to tell fans that they spent all their money on Hockey so they told them to lie.

[TheHurl]

Yes it does. However, it tells me more about his bosses. As I've said, if in fact this report is true, then his bosses must be satisfied with the job he's doing.

 

I'm sure they are...the value of the franchise is up. Doesn't mean that he will or can build and sustain a playoff team.

[RealAccountant]

Pelley said it was, right after the NHL contract, I'm agreeing here?

 

I'll be very surprised if Pelley knows the jays or what baseball is

 

He is much more interested in having Carolina Hurricanes vs. Sanjose Sharks on rogers asap

[TheHurl]

Yes, they don't want drug addicts, rapists and bigots on their team. Unlike the Rayspists. That's not a bad thing.

 

No they don't want publicly known drug addicts and bigots on their team. I love how you have tried to get to the Rays fans with the Rayspists thing. None of us care. Friedman came from a slimy world (same one I came from and I have seen way worse hired if they can make money), he's asked to find players at the best value. I don't really care about where they came from.

[kgm1]

Who on this board was even old enough or followed the Jays when Riccardi was GM . AA has traded away more farm talent than JPR ever drafted in his tenure as GM . HE gutted a decent scouting dept cause he wanted to do all the work by computer.

 

That lead to a bottom 3 farm system for years that took AA two years to rebuild . We have twice as much talent on the farm even after all the trades than JPR ever drafted. AA deserves to build this team and if He could have control instead of Rogers and Beeston would build a winner.

 

Put Grass in Rogers Center and you might be able to attract some free agent hitters but why would a pitcher want to come here. AA needs to develop them and he has.

[GD]

Who on this board was even old enough or followed the Jays when Riccardi was GM

 

I'm the youngest here and even I did so most of us?

[TheHurl]

It's the same world I'm in right now, as an executive level employee. Whatever you do at your shop is your business, but I know of no one else who would tolerate those kinds of hiring/retention practices.

 

In other words, you're full of s***.

 

And it's really sad that you think that way.

 

And how is it they don't want them in the org when they go out and acquire them, and retain them?

 

Despite their promotion of cheating and hiring of criminals, they STILL can't make money. No wonder he ran from alt investments.

 

I worked in Enforcement for the regulators, prior to my time in compliance and regulatory complaints for two of the major firms. Known criminals from the pump and dump era kept getting jobs, kept doing criminal activity and many are still in the industry today. Maybe your "Clean" firm hasn't hired them but many, many do. Admittedly regulators are doing a much better job at keeping those with a criminal past out of regulated roles. Those crazy f***in' unregulated areas must be full of them now though.

[ElNik2013]

I'm sure they are...the value of the franchise is up. Doesn't mean that he will or can build and sustain a playoff team.

 

 

It may mean that his bosses aren't that concerned with building or sustaining a playoff team. That's all I keep trying to point out. As much as some fret over AA, I'm more concerned with how the owners or the owner's representatives (i.e. the team prez), want the team to be run. So far, they've shown to be more interested in P.R. and tv ratings than in having the best-run MLB team on the planet which is what you and others keep whining about.

 

The moment this team's owners decide they want the best-run baseball team is the moment AA or whomever the GM is at such time, will strive to achieve the owner's goal. If they don't get it done, out the door they go.

 

The Rays' success starts with Sternberg and not with Friedman, same with the Cards. At least IMO.