North, the bully, destroyed Wilner thread

[TheHurl]

Yeah I should start posting more rumours. The Greinke sweepstakes are a great opportunity.

 

I know it's twitter and sometimes it's tough to say everything you want...but you should have linked to the Breaking Blue article (and Nikolai's twitter). It at least could educate and get some extra traffic.

[BTS]

I love watching Boxy and BTS fight

 

Am I the fat kid?

[BTS]

I don't think so!!

The obesity rate in Asia is low. BTS is a Rays Mexican fan from Boca Raton Florida.

 

I can't believe you've done this.

[Angrioter]

Am I the fat kid?

 

Yep. Your Mexican roots indicate that you are obese. You must have a tiny penis.

Sorry!!

[Caper]

I JUST CHECKED AND SOMEONE FROM MY SCHOOL FAVORITED THIS TWEET HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Dude knows jack s*** and he's just eating it up. This is what Wilner's doing. Misinforming the masses.

 

 

If Wilner is wrong in this instance... he's right a lot more then he is wrong. For all the hate he gets (and he is a meatball sometimes), he knows what he is talking about.

[GD]

If Wilner is wrong in this instance... he's right a lot more then he is wrong. For all the hate he gets (and he is a meatball sometimes), he knows what he is talking about.

 

In all likelihood, Mike Wilner is a very intelligent man who knows his s***.

 

He's just not allowed to say what he actually thinks is probably what's going on here.

[Caper]

I know it's twitter and sometimes it's tough to say everything you want...but you should have linked to the Breaking Blue article (and Nikolai's twitter). It at least could educate and get some extra traffic.

 

 

 

I was thinking the other day... listening to Jeff Blair, butcher his analysis of the Marlins/Jays trade. The blog should focus on some of the garbage fan 590 hosts and other popular media write or say about the Jays. It would become a go to blog for Toronto media looking to see fellow media members get bashed.

[Caper]

In all likelihood, Mike Wilner is a very intelligent man who knows his s***.

 

He's just not allowed to say what he actually thinks is probably what's going on here.

 

 

 

In his defense he did go after the Jays front office for not giving extra cash and a few other things (Brad Mills comes to mind).

[GD]

I was thinking the other day... listening to Jeff Blair, butcher his analysis of the Marlins/Jays trade. The blog should focus on some of the garbage fan 590 hosts and other popular media write or say about the Jays. It would become a go to blog for Toronto media looking to see fellow media members get bashed.

 

Fire Joe Morgan 2.0.

 

This is actually a really good idea. I might start doing this. Thanks for the input.

[Caper]

Fire Joe Morgan 2.0.

 

This is actually a really good idea. I might start doing this. Thanks for the input.

 

 

 

Listen to Blair try and talk about the Mets and Marlins deal with a caller.

 

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/pts/pt_20140725_165448--Prime-Time-Sports---July-25---4pm.mp3

 

Call begins at about the 24:15 mark.

 

And I actually don't mind the Marlins trade. But he totally forgets Yunnel Esobar. And forgets completely that if we hadn't made that deal we could have spent the money elsewhere..... It's a pretty bad call.

[GD]

Listen to Blair try and talk about the Mets and Marlins deal with a caller.

 

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/pts/pt_20140725_165448--Prime-Time-Sports---July-25---4pm.mp3

 

Call begins at about the 24:15 mark.

 

And I actually don't mind the Marlins trade. But he totally forgets Yunnel Esobar. And forgets completely that if we hadn't made that deal we could have spent the money elsewhere..... It's a pretty bad call.

 

You probably couldn't FJM a radio call, and I'll give him some leeway cause you have to think on the spot, but Jeff Blair isn't exceedingly intelligent.

[Gorlak]

Wilner is right. Understanding regression doesn't mean that past performance shouldn't be taken into account. He's no sure bet to mash lefties, But arguing that because of regression he can't is much more stupid.

[John_Havok]

Wilner is right. Understanding regression doesn't mean that past performance shouldn't be taken into account. He's no sure bet to mash lefties, But arguing that because of regression he can't is much more stupid.

 

Why is it stupid? You said yourself he's no sure bet to mash lefties. Explain why

[GD]

Wilner is right. Understanding regression doesn't mean that past performance shouldn't be taken into account. He's no sure bet to mash lefties, But arguing that because of regression he can't is much more stupid.

 

Nobody is arguing that. We're saying to not expect his future performance to be as good as his past performance.

 

The numbers I ran today are thinking more of a .344 wOBA as opposed to .381.

[Gorlak]

Why is it stupid? You said yourself he's no sure bet to mash lefties. Explain why

 

Because his major league sample size is fairly small, But based on that sample you would expect him to hit lefties better than righties. If he regresses to a .340wOBA he would still be useful against lefties.

[Gorlak]

Nobody is arguing that. We're saying to not expect his future performance to be as good as his past performance.

 

The numbers I ran today are thinking more of a .344 wOBA as opposed to .381.

 

Well to be fair to Wilner he did agree with that. Wilner isn't the worst, But he won't admit when he's wrong.

[Angrioter]

Because his major league sample size is fairly small, But based on that sample you would expect him to hit lefties better than righties. If he regresses to a .340wOBA he would still be useful against lefties.

 

It's a prediction based on collective stats. He's not Barry Bonds, for that reason, regression will f*** him as if him were a hooker.

[Terminator]

Nobody is arguing that. We're saying to not expect his future performance to be as good as his past performance.

 

The numbers I ran today are thinking more of a .344 wOBA as opposed to .381.

 

I got less than that, about .335 I believe. But still close. Run the numbers on Francisco vs. righties. I got .405 wOBA for that. 0_0

[Atothe]

Well to be fair to Wilner he did agree with that. Wilner isn't the worst, But he won't admit when he's wrong.

 

Wilner?

[GD]

I got less than that, about .335 I believe. But still close. Run the numbers on Francisco vs. righties. I got .405 wOBA for that. 0_0

 

What calculations did you do? I used NJH's true talent platoons.

[Gorlak]

It's a prediction based on collective stats. He's not Barry Bonds, for that reason, regression will f*** him as if him were a hooker.

 

As opposed to prediction by first hand accounts? Its almost 500 PA, Hard to luck your way though almost a full season worth of PA.

[GD]

As opposed to prediction by first hand accounts? Its almost 500 PA, Hard to luck your way though almost a full season worth of PA.

 

You'd be surprised. The stabilization point is 2200 PA.

[Gorlak]

You'd be surprised. The stabilization point is 2200 PA.

 

I get that, That's why I'm saying it's a small ample and no sure thing, But gun to the head I would guess he hits lefties better than righties.

[Terminator]

What calculations did you do? I used NJH's true talent platoons.

 

I used Klaasen's formula's: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/estimating-hitter-platoon-skill/

 

Where can I find NJH's?

[GD]

I get that, That's why I'm saying it's a small ample and no sure thing, But gun to the head I would guess he hits lefties better than righties.

 

Yeah, duh, but we don't know how much better, thus, we regress. I don't think you're really into this argument.

 

I used Klaasen's formula's: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/estimating-hitter-platoon-skill/

 

Where can I find NJH's?

 

http://www.breakingblue.ca/2014/01/16/blue-jays-true-talent-offensive-platoon-splits/

[BigCecil]

This thread is twisted imo...stick a f***ing bat in his hands and put him in against LHP and lets just see what he does for us.

 

We gave up little for him.

 

Two things we already know is Wilner Baghdad Bob routine and that this guy isn't Bonds.

[Flashman]

In all likelihood, Mike Wilner is a very intelligent man who knows his s***.

 

He's just not allowed to say what he actually thinks is probably what's going on here.

 

He had it in for Cito, sure, but he has been a long time admirer of John Gibbons and Alex Anthopoulos. From his Wilnerish perspective, there's not much to rock the boat about.

 

He does have a huge ego though. Whether it's sycophantic interviews with the staff, talking up media colleagues, setting his own standards for the phone-in, or arguing the toss with any caller who doesn't say "Love your work, Mike, and I agree 100%"...he's become unlistenable for me.

[Gorlak]

Well I'm not really arguing anything with you, We may only differ by a small degree on how much stock we put into the sample size. I am comfortable thinking the drastic difference in K% is legit with this sample size.

[GD]

Well I'm not really arguing anything with you, We may only differ by a small degree on how much stock we put into the sample size. I am comfortable thinking the drastic difference in K% is legit with this sample size.

 

Small degree = 1702 PA lol

[Gorlak]

Small degree = 1702 PA lol

 

Only if you think the sample is completely worthless until it reaches that number. I would argue it's useful around 500 PA, but gets more accurate as time goes on.