Aaron Sanchez stud thread

[wilko]

There'd be no reason to retain Janssen past this year anyways, regardless of any "unhappy" narrative, which is probably wholly overblown. You sure do t want to offer a QO and risk paying him 15 million next year. And you don't really want a closer who's stuff is declining slightly who relies on command control with very little margin of error to be in the 7 million per year range when you have bigger problems to address and need payroll room.

 

Loup for closer 2015!

[Angrioter]

The best

 

Only Hurl and Dinger come close

 

Dinger is last in the PL. Hurl bought a new radio.

[Sammy225]

Should have traded him today

[closetjaysfan]

Should have traded him today

 

For what another reliever? We just called up Jenkins ffs... and we were running 6 in the pen for awhile, that isn't sustainable.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think his stuff plays much better in the pen and thats why he has been succeeding so well. His FB is 96-97 not 94-95 which makes it a lot harder to square up. We still have barely seen his changeup. And for how great the stuff is we haven't really seen many swing and misses, kinda like Henderon Alvarez although it is a SSS.

 

I am encouraged by the results no doubt but to think he will be a very good starter is a pretty big stretch.

[itsawrap]

Side note if any of you guys have a Twitter or Instagram follow Stroman and Sanchez. These guys have a very amusing bromance going on and it's been awesome following their journey to the big leagues and seeing how they've succeeded. Made me an instant mega-fan of both these guys, as if I wasn't already.

[itsawrap]

I think his stuff plays much better in the pen and thats why he has been succeeding so well. His FB is 96-97 not 94-95 which makes it a lot harder to square up. We still have barely seen his changeup. And for how great the stuff is we haven't really seen many swing and misses, kinda like Henderon Alvarez although it is a SSS.

 

I am encouraged by the results no doubt but to think he will be a very good starter is a pretty big stretch.

 

He's got 2 phenomenal pitches and a shaky 3rd pitch. In my opinion this correlates perfectly with him turning into a stud closer someday. His size, demeanor, all of it fit right in with the closer role. Not saying he shouldn't have a chance to become a starter (he'll definitely get the opportunity). but I can totally see him lighting s*** up in the 9th inning for years to come.

[burlingtonbandit]

He's got 2 phenomenal pitches and a shaky 3rd pitch. In my opinion this correlates perfectly with him turning into a stud closer someday. His size, demeanor, all of it fit right in with the closer role. Not saying he shouldn't have a chance to become a starter (he'll definitely get the opportunity). but I can totally see him lighting s*** up in the 9th inning for years to come.

 

I think he's a reliever long term as well. But his value right now and if he keeps it up (the offseason) his value is going to be a lot higher than a very good reliever. Right now he still doesn't have very good fastball command but since he has such good velocity and movement he can pretty much just aim for the middle and throw strikes. Once he is a starter his stuff is a lot more hittable and he will have to locate much better.

[Sammy225]

For what another reliever? We just called up Jenkins ffs... and we were running 6 in the pen for awhile, that isn't sustainable.

 

Just FYI i am being sarcastic becuase a lot of people on here wanted him Norris, Pompey dealt just to make a move....

[HERPDERP]

Side note if any of you guys have a Twitter or Instagram follow Stroman and Sanchez. These guys have a very amusing bromance going on and it's been awesome following their journey to the big leagues and seeing how they've succeeded. Made me an instant mega-fan of both these guys, as if I wasn't already.

 

Semi-srs question...do we know if both of them have a girlfriend..let alone..ya know..shown some interest in the opposite sex?

 

>_>

[HERPDERP]

Even though the Sanchize s*** the bed yesterday in his 2nd inning of work, that 1st inning was insane, especially that fastball that moved like a backdoor slider to Jones' feet.

 

I can see why AA wanted to hold on to him, cause if Sanchez could get any type of control he would be ace status.

[Atothe]

Semi-srs question...do we know if both of them have a girlfriend..let alone..ya know..shown some interest in the opposite sex?

 

>_>

 

Aaaahhh you went there lol

[Vincent]

Even though the Sanchize s*** the bed yesterday in his 2nd inning of work, that 1st inning was insane, especially that fastball that moved like a backdoor slider to Jones' feet.

 

I can see why AA wanted to hold on to him, cause if Sanchez could get any type of control he would be ace status.

 

That's exactly right. Sanchez has always had great stuff and not much control. There hasn't really been any signs of improvement there. He's going to strike guys out, he's going to walk guys, he's going to miss his spots and get hammered.

[saskjayfan]

That's exactly right. Sanchez has always had great stuff and not much control. There hasn't really been any signs of improvement there. He's going to strike guys out, he's going to walk guys, he's going to miss his spots and get hammered.

 

some of you have broken this kid down to the point of evaluating every single pitch. He misses wide outside badly and some of you are posting how bad his control is. The kid just turned 22. There has been a tremendous amount of change and improvement with the kid over the past number of years. When you are making changes you don't necessarily see positive results right away.

 

He has pitched 9.1 innings. He has struck out 7, walked 2 given up 3 runs for a 2.89 ERA and has a WHIP of 0.64. It makes no sense to make ultimate judgements on a guy based off 9.1 innings, but it makes even less sense to judge a guy based off 1 single inning.

[Nox]

but it makes even less sense to judge a guy based off 1 single inning.

 

Um, nobody is doing that.

[Vincent]

some of you have broken this kid down to the point of evaluating every single pitch. He misses wide outside badly and some of you are posting how bad his control is. The kid just turned 22. There has been a tremendous amount of change and improvement with the kid over the past number of years. When you are making changes you don't necessarily see positive results right away.

 

He has pitched 9.1 innings. He has struck out 7, walked 2 given up 3 runs for a 2.89 ERA and has a WHIP of 0.64. It makes no sense to make ultimate judgements on a guy based off 9.1 innings, but it makes even less sense to judge a guy based off 1 single inning.

 

You're the one judging by saying we are juding off one inning. Not the case the all. You have to use the data available and projections, not just make optimistic assumptions that he will get better based on supposed adjustments. With that said, I haven't had the privilege to watch him in person over time, so obviously it's all really just conjecture (for fun). Nobody denies the kid is filthy.

[HERPDERP]

This is my arm-chair scouting report on him:

 

Always look for the fastball, but only swing at pitches that come in high.

 

Anything coming in at the knees will go towards you feet, and you'll swing through the top of it.

 

Just wait for something high so that it ends up going down the plate, just like Davis' homer yesterday (although that fastball was a bit flat)

 

_

 

I think if players are a bit more patient with Sanchez, he'll be his own worse enemy.

[saskjayfan]

Um, nobody is doing that.

 

is Vincent one of your other screen names..lol. Sanchez changed his arm slot in June. He showed much better control his last couple outings in AAA and 2 walks in 9.1 innings in the bigs. That would suggest improvement in his ability control his pitches. Vincent said that he has not shown any improvement in his ability to control his pitches. It's easy to make conclusion that he's basing his evaluation on one inning given his comment and Sanchez' results since altering his arm slot in June.

[GD]

9.1 IP sample size ftw

[Nox]

He showed much better control his last couple outings in AAA and 2 walks in 9.1 innings in the bigs. That would suggest improvement in his ability control his pitches.

 

No it does not. Jesus.

[SpeedyGose]

is Vincent one of your other screen names..lol. Sanchez changed his arm slot in June. He showed much better control his last couple outings in AAA and 2 walks in 9.1 innings in the bigs. That would suggest improvement in his ability control his pitches. Vincent said that he has not shown any improvement in his ability to control his pitches. It's easy to make conclusion that he's basing his evaluation on one inning given his comment and Sanchez' results since altering his arm slot in June.

 

What I enjoyed the most is how you said not to judge off of 1 inning, then proceeded to judge off of two appearances in AAA and 9 innings at MLB level.

[TheHurl]

I think if players are a bit more patient with Sanchez, he'll be his own worse enemy.

 

SSS but the only pitcher in baseball that is drawing less swings than Sanchez is Balfour.

 

is Vincent one of your other screen names..lol. Sanchez changed his arm slot in June. He showed much better control his last couple outings in AAA and 2 walks in 9.1 innings in the bigs. That would suggest improvement in his ability control his pitches. Vincent said that he has not shown any improvement in his ability to control his pitches. It's easy to make conclusion that he's basing his evaluation on one inning given his comment and Sanchez' results since altering his arm slot in June.

 

So what you are saying is that as a reliever his control issues are less prevalent. He's still not throwing anymore pitches inside the strikezone since this change. He's not getting swinging strikes at this point, two things he will need to do to be successful as a starter in this league. If anyone (of relative importance) in the org thinks he is just a reliever at this point he should be dealt. I'm still a believer that he can gain enough control to be a starter who is eventually successful...I just think it won't happen for several years.

[saskjayfan]

No arm slot change. He had s*** control/command as a reliever in AAA (as I notated at the time). He was still falling victim to the same old issues he always had, and was expected to have ... He's been better the couple times I've seen him I. The bigs ... But that's the thing ... He's not "wild thing" ... It's not as if he literally can't throw a strike and is hitting mascots with his fastball. He's completely inconsistent. He had good stretches in the minors, as well, pre-faux-arm-slot change and after. It's not as if each time he's going to walk 4. He has s*** mechanics and too-crazy arm action. He's going to find a groove, and then lose it. And find it. And lose it.

 

He did make changes towards the end of June...AA talked about it. I think you're a terrible judge of talent. His delivery does not look wild as in Ubaldo Jimenez wild at all. His delivery looks free and easy. It's pretty much the opposite of too crazy. He's walked 7 in his last 30 and a third innings pitched, which dates back to the end of June. I wonder why that is important? That's a walk rate of just over 2 per 9. He only pitched 2 innings as a reliever in AAA and he didn't walk a batter.

 

All you did is talk about regurgitate talk about his short stride length that Law likes to talk about. Sanchez has the exact same stride length as Doc Halladay. Kid's going to be fine.

[GD]

TIL saskjayfan thinks sample size is for pussies.

[gruber92]

He did make changes towards the end of June...AA talked about it. I think you're a terrible judge of talent. His delivery does not look wild as in Ubaldo Jimenez wild at all. His delivery looks free and easy. It's pretty much the opposite of too crazy. He's walked 7 in his last 30 and a third innings pitched, which dates back to the end of June. I wonder why that is important? That's a walk rate of just over 2 per 9. He only pitched 2 innings as a reliever in AAA and he didn't walk a batter.

 

All you did is talk about regurgitate talk about his short stride length that Law likes to talk about. Sanchez has the exact same stride length as Doc Halladay. Kid's going to be fine.

 

I agree. BTW, take whatever Booger says with a grain of salt. The guy knows s***,classic loser.

[saskjayfan]

TIL saskjayfan thinks sample size is for pussies.

 

Hey junior, isn't it past your bedtime yet? So many on here post sample ridiculously small sample sizes all the time to support their argument. Why should I be immune from this. I'd love to talk about his arm action and what I've seen, but I understand that sort of thing is frowned upon. It's all about the statistics. Well, he's only pitched 30 innings since making adjustments that AA talked about that helped clean some things up and springboard him to the bigs. I'd prefer a larger sample size myself, but what are you going to do.

 

My position is that utilizing a larger sample size looking at a greater body of work, where change occurred all the time makes no sense. Sure, his impressive start will likely have hick ups and set backs. You make adjustments all the time as you begin to fall into bad habits, but the foundation was built over the past several years. He was promoted because the club felt like he had a strong enough foundation to handle the big leagues and make the adjustments one needs to make at this level over time. Personally, I think the kid looks pretty f***ing good.

 

I Know, I'm just suppose to look at his minor league stats and realize that moving him at the deadline for a prado like player would have been the best thing to do, but I just have to play devils advocate and go against the herd on that one.

[NorthOf49]

TIL saskjayfan thinks sample size is for pussies.

Not just sample size... he thinks samples that aren't selected specifically to fit a narrative are for pussies.

 

"last 30 and a third innings pitched."

 

I wonder why that very specific sample was chosen rofl

[gruber92]

Hey junior, isn't it past your bedtime yet? So many on here post sample ridiculously small sample sizes all the time to support their argument. Why should I be immune from this. I'd love to talk about his arm action and what I've seen, but I understand that sort of thing is frowned upon. It's all about the statistics. Well, he's only pitched 30 innings since making adjustments that AA talked about that helped clean some things up and springboard him to the bigs. I'd prefer a larger sample size myself, but what are you going to do.

 

My position is that utilizing a larger sample size looking at a greater body of work, where change occurred all the time makes no sense. Sure, his impressive start will likely have hick ups and set backs. You make adjustments all the time as you begin to fall into bad habits, but the foundation was built over the past several years. He was promoted because the club felt like he had a strong enough foundation to handle the big leagues and make the adjustments one needs to make at this level over time. Personally, I think the kid looks pretty f***ing good.

 

I Know, I'm just suppose to look at his minor league stats and realize that moving him at the deadline for a prado like player would have been the best thing to do, but I just have to play devils advocate and go against the herd on that one.

 

Yup.. God help us if someone thinks mediocre milb numbers can't translate into MLB success with some adjustments and better coaching if there is foundational ground to work upon.

[NorthOf49]

Yup.. God help us if someone thinks mediocre milb numbers can't translate into MLB success with some adjustments and better coaching if there is foundational ground to work upon.

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[gruber92]

Not just sample size... he thinks samples that aren't selected specifically to fit a narrative are for pussies.

 

"last 30 and a third innings pitched."

 

I wonder why that very specific sample was chosen rofl

 

Contradict much?

 

Take a look at your sig. You guys are hilarious.