Would you pick up Brandon Morrow's 2015 option?

[Deadpool]

It would depend on his medical workup after the surgery etc. If he's as healthy as he was to start this season, I'd pick up the option (even knowing the results of this season).

[Deadpool]

It could be pretty bad if the team doesn't go on a little run here shortly

 

How so? The budget Rogers tosses at the Jays has nothing to do with the money the team makes at the gate... The Jays are a moneymaking machine for Rogers in advertising dollars and free content for their stations. Do you have any idea how much that giant domed billboard is worth to the company?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Not quite like that though. You have to pay him a base salary and then add incentives based on # of starts or IP. For example... 5 million base salary with bonuses of 1 million for hitting 150 IP, 175 and 200... Or 1 million bonus for hitting 20, 25 and 30 starts. Bonuses on a per start basis wouldn't be allowed.

 

I was offering him a base of 3-4 mill, that's how it started. I can change the wording to 3 mill for every 8 starts made.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Depends what our money situation is next season.

 

96 mill before raises and depending what we do with our free agents I believe.

[jaysblue]

If Morrow is healthy, he'll be worth more than $10 million easily. He's the best pitcher on this staff when he's healthy. He's an elite starter and you don't give up an elite starter for nothing.

[Dylan]

96 mill before raises and depending what we do with our free agents I believe.

I meant more on the lines of Rogers

 

Safe bet the cap doesn't go up?

[jays4life19]

If Morrow is healthy, he'll be worth more than $10 million easily. He's the best pitcher on this staff when he's healthy. He's an elite starter and you don't give up an elite starter for nothing.

 

I'm not sure i would use the word "elite". However your point is still valid.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I meant more on the lines of Rogers

 

Safe bet the cap doesn't go up?

 

Not unless we go on a miracle run and finish in it! That or beeston finds some golden knee pads! Lol

[no soup for yu]

he's injury prone and wildly inconsistent when healthy, so no

[no soup for yu]

If Morrow is healthy, he'll be worth more than $10 million easily. He's the best pitcher on this staff when he's healthy. He's an elite starter and you don't give up an elite starter for nothing.

he's rarely healthy and he lacks consistency, there is nothing elite about him

[jaysblue]

I'm not sure i would use the word "elite". However your point is still valid.

 

According to JFaS, Morrow is an elite starter.

[GD]

I definitely never said elite.

 

It's a noble cause to keep doing this, every single day, just in case there's one fan that sees the retardation that goes on here and wants to learn more about the stats side of baseball.

 

It probably isn't worth it and it's going to drive you to the brink of insanity, but hey, noble.

[Orgfiller]

With the value of a win going up, it'd be stupid to not pick up the option if his health is anything less than Brett Anderson level.

[Deadpool]

If Morrow is healthy, he'll be worth more than $10 million easily. He's the best pitcher on this staff when he's healthy. He's an elite starter and you don't give up an elite starter for nothing.

 

Jays gave up Josh Johnson for nothing and he's sort of the same situation (guy who is lights out when he's healthy, but isn't healthy often...). I thought they should have tried to keep him, but obviously in hindsight it was the right move.

[shortstop]

imo, his time has come & gone with the jays...he & the jays need a change...

 

with that said, from an objective standpoint, if the market for Morrow, despite his injury history/inconsistency, is $10m or above, perhaps you do sign him & trade him. Not sure what prospect can be had in return but can't imagine it would be much of one.

 

Team could trade for him during this season (if they think he'll be worth the $10m option) though not sure what incentive they have since a) he's injured & recovery/surgery unknown jays may not pick up the option & could be had for less. On the other hand, if he's on the open market, likely be a # of teams trying to get a team friendly deal.

 

Morrow on the DL for most if not all the season, jays not picking up the $10M/buyout for $1M & Morrow hitting the free agent market is how I see this play out. I'm assuming he wouldn't get $10M per on the open market.

 

A part of me wants to be fine with a San Diego/Josh Johnson type contract but my gut says to break off all ties with him & move forward.

[BlueJaysGirl]

This is such a tough questions.

 

I was firmly in the camp to send JJ a qualifying offer, thinking his arm troubles were over. Wow, glad we didn't. Food for thought.

 

So, if I'm correct it would cost $9M more to keep him, because the buyout is $1M? That's way less than the QO offer would have been to JJ, and at least Morrow has strong ties to the club.

 

Boy, there's like a 75% chance he'll get hurt again for an extended period next year. So, 75% chance that $9M is a throwaway.

 

But, like always, if he's healthy, he's worth ~ $18M AAV. And at the very least, assuming the MLB collective agreement doesn't change, even if next year's his last, assuming he does well, we could still QO him and maybe get a 1st rounder.

 

So, $9M more wasted or for a really solid pitcher who might net us a 1st round draft pick after the season.

 

I say pick him up for the extra $9M.

[Angrioter]

Hutchison

Stroman

Dickey

Morrow

Nolin

Sanchez

 

 

Trade Buehrle

[BlueJaysGirl]

Hutchison

Stroman

Dickey

Morrow

Nolin

Sanchez

 

 

Trade Buehrle

 

If you see the Jays win every third game, you should get your wish before the trade deadline. Which is sort of too bad, because he's super likeable and very reliable...like maybe one of the more reliable pitchers in history

[wilko]

No, the guy can't stay healthy. Talent means nothing if he's on the DL the majority of the season.

[G-Snarls]

No, the guy can't stay healthy. Talent means nothing if he's on the DL the majority of the season.

 

Exactly

 

Even though he says he's not injury prone? He's injury prone.

[G-Snarls]

2015 rotation

 

Lester (suck it Farrell)

Dickey

Hutch

Buehrle

Stroman or Nolin

[o2cui2i]

2015 rotation

 

 

Lester (suck it Farrell)

Dickey

Hutch

Buehrle

Stroman or Nolin

 

Dickey and Buehrle give you 450 innings. That's a huge frame to build on.

 

IF Morrow was ever 100 % I'd say keep him, but he never is healthy long term.

 

Need solid solutions not ifs and butts

[Chappy]

I'd rather have his spot go to one of our younger SP. Hutch is already in it, stroman is next in line and Nolin is going to have to get some consideration soon as well the way he is going. Sanchez could also be an option at some point next season as well. We also have Dickey and Buehrle still under contract.

 

I hate losing a guy like Morrow but I don't see any chance his option is picked up unless he comes back strong at some point this season and if he does then AA better be burning the phone lines trying to trade him.

[G-Snarls]

If we're out of contention at the end of June I'm all for trading Buerhle though. It would just make sense.

[o2cui2i]

If we're out of contention at the end of June I'm all for trading Buerhle though. It would just make sense.

 

we wouldn't get his 220+ innings for less money elsewhere. I'd trade Reyes and Rasmus, but not Buehrle

[G-Snarls]

we wouldn't get his 220+ innings for less money elsewhere. I'd trade Reyes and Rasmus, but not Buehrle

 

If we're out of contention at the end of June that means we should completely clean house between the mid season trade deadline and the off season. I wouldn't even keep Buerhle. Just let the young guys have at it next year.

[shortstop]

If we're out of contention at the end of June that means we should completely clean house between the mid season trade deadline and the off season. I wouldn't even keep Buerhle. Just let the young guys have at it next year.

 

imo, jays should trade Buehrle in that scenario...trade him while his stock is as high as it will probably ever be until he retires...

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I know Buehrle's cost is more but i am moving Dickey even if i get less first. Buehrle as a number 3 too reset the pen, plus i think i want my young pitchers learning from him how to pitch rather then from excuse machine dickey!

[kgm1]

I'd rather have his spot go to one of our younger SP. Hutch is already in it, stroman is next in line and Nolin is going to have to get some consideration soon as well the way he is going. Sanchez could also be an option at some point next season as well. We also have Dickey and Buehrle still under contract.

 

I hate losing a guy like Morrow but I don't see any chance his option is picked up unless he comes back strong at some point this season and if he does then AA better be burning the phone lines trying to trade him.

 

He is looking more and more as a BP arm even when healthy . I think both he and McGowan because of their diabetes are better suited to the Bullpen. Sure he has huge upside but how long can a GM continue to plan a winning roster not knowing whether a key rotation guy will give you 5 starts or 20 . Odds are he isn't going 33 .

 

I also look at dollars . What will the budget be next year with a projected 85 cent dollar and less gate money. Add to that Rogers obvious fixation on other sports and this budget may be in the 95 to 100 mil range .

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Its to bad Romero doesn't have an option we can decline. He should just retire. f***ing guy eatting up like 8M. But say f*** you Morrow and trade Buehrlre asap. Probably could get a nice price for him at the deadline.

 

Can Romero be moved down the minor league system? Can he refuse reassignment to lower levels? Can mush melon be despaired into quitting? Too bad we don't have a team in Winterpeg that would do it! Can he be traded to Japan ?