GDT(1/3): Toronto Blue Jays @ Pittsburgh Pirates - Morrow vs. Cole - 7:05 PM ET

[ElNik2013]

I'm agreeing?!

 

 

LOL. I know, I just think it's been overlooked in all the complaining we've done about the bench and 2B.

[wardhenke1]

Derp!

 

Great comeback. Seriously.

 

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[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

So given that Santos has been unlucky, do the Blue Jays get the losses reversed to W's because of it?

 

Never knew there was a luck formula! Guess we need to draft more lucky players instead of good ones, and we will win! Lol

[Anemic0ffense]

I'm convinced this board jerks off to Santos. Dude can rob an old lady, and you'd say it was the old lady's fault. Whatever. If you wanna say past performance, fine, but the guy sucks a fat dick this year. No ifs ands or buts about it.

[Anemic0ffense]

I can't believe how closed minded people are. I used to think what you guys all think. I put hours and hours into baseball research and I have learned A LOT.

 

It it seems open mindedness decrease with age from what I've noticed.

 

Not saying you're a dummy. If it's your passion, cool, but this loss is on Santos. No stat you dig up can convince anyone who watched that game otherwise.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

There's a old saying that says stats are for *******s and that why you still have to play the game!

[leaffie]

Lol what? They got beat by the better team tonight that's it.

 

No, they got beat by a pitcher, who didn't do his job!!! All the numbers or bad luck or whatever in the world, won't excuse the fact that the guy threw a bunch of meatballs over the centre of the plate.

[Anemic0ffense]

That's why he has a 3.57 xFIP right?

 

Ok and...? He's had 3 or 4 BRUTAL outings in a row. You guys are all about the "SSS". How reliable is xFIP in a month's worth of stats? What's his xFIP tonight?

[Spoonovic]

The funny thing is that if we went to extra innings, Happ would have to come in. And that would likely mean that Stroman would start on Monday.

 

Santos screwed us double.

[TBJ12]

That's why he has a 3.57 xFIP right?

 

Aren't you one of the guys who wanted Janssen traded? The same Janssen with a 3.04 xFIP over the past 3 seasons.

[o2cui2i]

Losses like this have become almost expected. I just feel numb.... sad state of affairs.

 

I wonder who gets fired first.

[Dylan]

Losses like this have become almost expected. I just feel numb.... sad state of affairs.

 

I wonder who gets fired first.

 

As usual, I'm thinking a good start is fatcow

[fatcowxlive]

Where is Kendrys Morales going to play?

 

Play him at 2B!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Just because something has been done that way forever, doesn't make it the best way.

 

The human factor and the elements and factors can not be predicted by any advanced stat! Book it!

[TBJ12]

Assignment.

 

1. Go to Baseball Savant.

2. Find location speed and movement of Santos pitches to similar handed batters.

3. Run a query for similar pitches pitched in 2013 or whatever.

4. Download the CSV and tell me what the chances of each type of outcome is.

 

Your assignment.

 

Watch the game and close the spread sheets.

[Candy Maldonado]

Does anybody have a screen capture of what Santos was doing at the end of the game on the bench? lol

[theblujay]

That's why he has a 3.57 xFIP right?

 

Why does it seem like every time we lose you're in here telling us how it wasn't the pitchers fault, but rather luck. It would seem like we should be in first if we had decent luck! Actually you could probably say any pitcher who has a bad outing with a lot of hits and HRs given up had "bad luck" because of inflated single game BABIPs and HR/FB.

 

You need to take a step back and realize that there is an important place for advanced stats, but the most important thing is the result of the game. You can't remove all of the fault from a closer who gives up two HRs and a blown save just because of bad HR/FB luck.

[fatcowxlive]

I feel sorry for people in this thread lol. You have people with a hot head and people that are used to this lol no point in arguing

[TBJ12]

Because bullpen arms are easily replaceable and far too overvalued in this market?

 

I don't believe that's true with all delivers. I'd consider Janssen very underrated, he's been one of the best relivers in baseball over the past 3 years. 2010 wasn't too bad either.

[theblujay]

lol @ you guys wrestling in the mud with local oafs like this.

 

Ok chief I guess you're fine with Santos tonight because the two HRs were just bad flyball luck

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

The use advance stats to forecast weather too! Yup the weather man is always right always! Lol

[theblujay]

The game is over. What happened is now irrelevant. It's what happened that can tell us about the future because that's all we should be interested in. ERA tells you almost nothing. Wins tell you almost nothing. WAR tells you a limited amount about the future even. Those are descriptive stats that describe what physically happened, not what will happen. You need to use projections and predictive stats from peripherals to determine what happened that was actually skill related.

 

I agree, but we're talking about this game and saying that Santos blew it. Advanced stats say he will do better, but he still cost us this game.

[Dylan]

The game is over. What happened is now irrelevant. It's what happened that can tell us about the future because that's all we should be interested in. ERA tells you almost nothing. Wins tell you almost nothing. WAR tells you a limited amount about the future even. Those are descriptive stats that describe what physically happened, not what will happen. You need to use projections and predictive stats from peripherals to determine what happened that was actually skill related.

This makes sense.. progress for me!

[Candy Maldonado]

Yeah, he's been pretty nails this year. Good thing he wasn't traded.

 

He's been better than Santos.

[Anemic0ffense]

Morrow and Santos - Players of the game

 

Just a bit of bad luck caused Morrow to give up a zillion hits, and Santos to give up 2 missiles.

[wardhenke1]

So adding a firstbaseman to this team heals all wounds, you realize we have EE/Lind and Francisco right now? Our problem has been not signing/acquiring a 2nd baseman/top of the rotation starter and a power hitting RHB off the bench, nothing more. The bullpen has been through a rough stretch but that's obviously because of workload and volatility, give your head a f***ing shake, gimp.

 

Right. So as per my original post sign Drew and Morales and then trade one of the above players you mentioned for pitching help. Comprende?

[TBJ12]

Yeah, he's been pretty nails this year. Good thing he wasn't traded.

 

Its the 2nd of May. He will return soon enough and anyone interested in watching this team win will rejoice.

[theblujay]

He's been better than Santos.

 

They both had 0 WAR coming into tonight

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

No they can't. Because "human element" boils down to random variation, which baseball has a lot of.

 

Hence all stats are flawed due to random chance!

[The_DH]

Guess what baseball is a team sport, when actual results vary from individual's estimated statistics then the answer is luck. Truth is the only thing that can measure wins is wins.