Laika Community Moderator Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Keith Law disagrees If our definition of a prospect is, "might be a reliever for some other team five years from now", then yeah, sure. He's a fine prospect!
GD Old-Timey Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 1) not it's not. Fangraphs.com, bro. 2) WAR is descriptive, not predictive. 3) it makes a lot sense if the organization thinks that Goins can fix his bat a bit with a trip to Buffalo gg Wait, people use BR-WAR?
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Getz has 1.2 fWAR in his career which is probably more than Goins will ever even dream of so Lol Goins PA per WAR is 623 Getz's is 1,288. lol
Slot Machine Verified Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 i wonder if alex is embarrassed about assembling a "contending" team with no second baseman? I mean, he literally just decided his team didn't need a 2b. lol.
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Not at his current level Ha. Don't even go to a place where you say he is an average MLB defender.
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 1) not it's not. Fangraphs.com, bro. 2) WAR is descriptive, not predictive. 3) it makes a lot sense if the organization thinks that Goins can fix his bat a bit with a trip to Buffalo Yo bro I'm on fangraphs right now and it is. Doesn't matter that WAR isn't predictive. Goins has a better WAR/PA
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Ha. Don't even go to a place where you say he is an average MLB defender. He's delusional
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 gg Wait, people use BR-WAR? You're wrong
Laika Community Moderator Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Yo bro I'm on fangraphs right now and it is. Doesn't matter that WAR isn't predictive. Goins has a better WAR/PA My bad, not sure why I read 0.0 for Goins. Must have looked at his projections or something. 2) That sentence is ridiculous
Candy Maldonado Old-Timey Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Everybody calm down. Temporary move with the LHP ahead,reason for Kawasaki not being called instead of Getz. Management obviously has no trust in Diaz's bat,especially that late inning pinch hit disaster when he didn't even take the bat off his shoulders with a man on third with less than two out and watching three hittable pitches go by. If AA has no plans on re calling Goins later this week, then he has plans in signing Drew. Either way, i'm happy. There is zero chance that Getz and Diaz stay on the roster long term, ZERO. Maybe Getz is able to make contact on hit and runs unlike somebody else.
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 the blujay schooling GD hard. It's ok bro.
The_DH Verified Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Everybody calm down. Temporary move with the LHP ahead,reason for Kawasaki not being called instead of Getz. Management obviously has no trust in Diaz's bat,especially that late inning pinch hit disaster when he didn't even take the bat off his shoulders with a man on third with less than two out and watching three hittable pitches go by. If AA has no plans on re calling Goins later this week, then he has plans in signing Drew. Either way, i'm happy. There is zero chance that Getz and Diaz stay on the roster long term, ZERO. Isn't Getz a lefty bat?
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 My bad, not sure why I read 0.0 for Goins. Must have looked at his projections or something. 2) That sentence is ridiculous I've yet to find anything that points to Getz being better than Goins based on production in their careers so far. With the obvious upside going to Goins and his sub-.200 BABIP
GD Old-Timey Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Lol Goins PA per WAR is 623 Getz's is 1,288. lol If you regress his defense to above average like it probably is over a large enough sample size then I'm fairly sure it's more balanced Ha. Don't even go to a place where you say he is an average MLB defender. I know your IQ matches the number in your username and all but this isn't what I was saying and also your dumn
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Well, so much for that Goins got a nice long look between 2013 and 2014
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 Maybe Getz is able to make contact on hit and runs unlike somebody else. Lame. If you were watching, those botched hit and runs were on pitches WAY out of the strike zone. Just stop.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 the blujay schooling GD hard. It's ok bro. Replacement level is 0.7 WAR, right? And average wRC+ is 130?
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 If you regress his defense to above average like it probably is over a large enough sample size then I'm fairly sure it's more balanced I know your IQ matches the number in your username and all but this isn't what I was saying and also your dumn Nice comeback bro.
gruber92 Old-Timey Member Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 replacement level is 0.7 war, right? And average wrc+ is 130? lol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 If you regress his defense to above average like it probably is over a large enough sample size then I'm fairly sure it's more balanced I know your IQ matches the number in your username and all but this isn't what I was saying and also your dumn Sure we can regress his D a bit, but he's on the same pace he was last year, almost a third of a season. But lets regress that bat too up to the 60 wRC+. Let's say for your sake their equal. Then at best this a lateral move with no purpose. At worst we miss the off chance Goins improves with the bat and becomes valuable because of his D.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Guys, who honestly gives a s***? Both players suck. Who cares if one is projected to suck a fraction of a **** hair less than the other? Precisely Sign Drew June 3 pls
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 I can't believe no one has started a "Can Chris Getz" stick thread yet
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Guys, who honestly gives a s***? Both players suck. Who cares if one is projected to suck a fraction of a **** hair less than the other? There's nothing else to talk about
Laika Community Moderator Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 I've yet to find anything that points to Getz being better than Goins based on production in their careers so far. With the obvious upside going to Goins and his sub-.200 BABIP I don't think Getz is better, I just think they're both AAA quality players. Both of them blow. Goins pros: - 2B defense is great - He's got that half-black Derek Jeter thing going on - Name is easily turned into witty newspaper headlines and radio calls if he ever turns into a clutch HR hitter (longshot) Getz pros: - Experience - Better speed - Much better swing - higher floor with bat - Good white boi - Named Chris
GD Old-Timey Member Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Sure we can regress his D a bit, but he's on the same pace he was last year, almost a third of a season. But lets regress that bat too up to the 60 wRC+. Let's say for your sake their equal. Then at best this a lateral move with no purpose. At worst we miss the off chance Goins improves with the bat and becomes valuable because of his D. Someone do the WAR calculation on a 60 wRC+ and ~7.5 UZR with negative baserunning and 600 PA?
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 I can't believe no one has started a "Can Chris Getz" stick thread yet Cuz he can't
Candy Maldonado Old-Timey Member Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 I'm holding out for an Aaron Hill trade.
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Someone do the WAR calculation on a 60 wRC+ and ~7.5 UZR with negative baserunning and 600 PA? IDK UZR well but he's already past 8 in these 50 games. 33/150 so I think it would be higher than 7.5
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Actually he's above 30 UZR/150 for 2B and SS
theblujay Verified Member Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/225/6/9/oh_my_god__who_the_hell_cares__by_nzabob-d46gjne.gif Go away
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