Experiment McGowan as a starter could end soon.

[Governator]

To be a little more fair on McGowan, that 4 pitch walk to start the 5th had a couple in the zone and the HBP didn't actually hit Lough who he had 2 strikes on... Really could have been a different outcome that inning.

 

I don't mind if Redmond & McGowan essentially switch roles, he's earned it though management should really know more about their starters limits and not have tried to stretch McGowan out to 100pitches which he hadn't done in several years.

[shortstop]

I don't think anyone expected McGowan to have a 60 pitch limit (it seems) at this point...perhaps 80 but no 60...

 

at the time, after the Santana fiasco, Happy injury/suckage in spring training, imo, McGowan was the best of the bunch in the fight for the 5th spot...expected 80 pitches or 5 innings for a month/month & a half, and then by end of May/into June he'd be at the 90-100 pitch count...

 

I don't think anyone, including McGowan, expected him to have stamina issues at this point.

[Iluvbjs]

Seriously. I still can't believe he's in the rotation.

 

I can, with Gibby as our manager. Not to beat a dead horse, but with a 6-1 lead against their ace, it could've and SHOULD HAVE been a huge win for us. Instead it's just another step back towards .500. Starters are tied with Baltimore for 27th in innings pitched. Happ isn't the answer neither so if Gibby puts him there, you might as well raise the white flag. He can barely get to the fifth most nights with less than 90 pitches if he gets there at all

[TheHurl]

This board is 10% of my DNA, 30% of my baseball resource, and 50% of my daily entertainment.

 

I am missing 10% somewhere

 

masturbation material?

[Iluvbjs]

And if it's going to be Rogers or Happ? I hope to god it's Rogers. Happ is flat out bad and can't command any of his pitches for s***. His fastball command is just about as bad as Romero's. At least Rogers showed flashes of brilliance last year.

 

As for the youngsters? I'm a proponent of letting them get some expereince up here once they've got their pitches developed. Expereience this year will hopefully benefit us next year and onwards. Unless your Drabek of course and can't hit the side of a f***ing barn with your fastball.

[Eragon]

How is it idiotic to say he's been mediocre after 4 starts when he's been worse then that?

 

Do you say Bautista sucks at baseball when he has a bad week or two?

[Eragon]

Just is it fair to call McGowan to the mat on performance? When the starters as whole are under achieving as a unit. Buehrle you may be excused from this discussion as the exception to all of this! No buddy is recording the min. 18 outs per game as of yet. Dicky is close, but. Based on expectations did any one really see McGowan out performing the others on this staff? We really are only asking him to be better then ja Happ and Ricky Romero and really he still might be! Think of it and sorry if this upsets you or scares a few. But right now morrow is only 2 outs per game better, hutch is just barely 3 outs better. As for dickey he is better by only 4.65 outs per game, ace my ass! And if you dig down deeper runs per out dickey sits at .2183 per out and McGowan at .2549 not that great of a difference as of yet. Who really needs a kick in the ass to get going, looking right at you dick! What we all hope for is pitchers who can give us six innings and then to the pen! I for one hope we get there. One of the stats or number crunchers can double check my math, please ! But let's assume 18 outs is needed and we get it. Hutch would be at 2.399, morrow at 3.355, McGowan at 4.588 and dickey at 3.929 runs against per 6 innings or 18 outs!

 

Oh yeah and Go Jays Go ! f*** you Yankees!

 

DNR.

 

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[John_Havok]

I can' date=' with Gibby as our manager. Not to beat a dead horse, but with a 6-1 lead against their ace, it could've and SHOULD HAVE been a huge win for us. Instead it's just another step back towards .500. Starters are tied with Baltimore for 27th in innings pitched. Happ isn't the answer neither so if Gibby puts him there, you might as well raise the white flag. He can barely get to the fifth most nights with less than 90 pitches if he gets there at all[/quote']

 

Note sure why Gibbons is at fault for not being able to replace McGowan with a better option at SP when they currently have no better options he can utilize. I highly doubt Gibbons is in AA's office everyday asking for Stroman's call up.

 

If you want to blame someone for the rotation shambles, it's on AA 100%

[Convo]

ITT: People calling Stroman a bust before throwing a pitch in the MLB?! *sighs*

 

It's probably because he was REALLY bad in ST. Not that that's a real indicator.

[Angrioter]

Since we're stuck with an 8-man bullpen for a while, why not unofficially piggyback the #5 slot - Happ/McGowan would be a good combo, ~3 innings each. You bring Happ in the 3rd or 4th when you have a couple of lefties up, saving McG the velocity drop and going (hopefully) through the order a 3rd time...

 

Colorado Rockies experiment?

[Angrioter]

Stroman has dominated the minors as a starter. Sanchez has not.

Shataup freak geek. You're the 4th smartest poster on this forum (1-NJH, 2-Nox and 3-Mexican Guy). The fanboy mask don't fit with you profile.

 

Sanchez is best bet than Stroman and your conscience know that.

[0ctobyte]

Sanchez is rocking an 8/5 K/BB through five starts in AA, which is pretty much in line with what he's done over the last two years. He shouldn't even be in the discussion for a major league spot at this point.

 

I love his stuff. I think Stroman will be a bust.

 

Sanchez is much more likely to bust then Stroman at this point. If Sanchez keeps averaging 4-5 BB/9 in the minors, he's not gonna go far as a starter.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I don't think anyone expected McGowan to have a 60 pitch limit (it seems) at this point...perhaps 80 but no 60...

 

at the time, after the Santana fiasco, Happy injury/suckage in spring training, imo, McGowan was the best of the bunch in the fight for the 5th spot...expected 80 pitches or 5 innings for a month/month & a half, and then by end of May/into June he'd be at the 90-100 pitch count...

 

I don't think anyone, including McGowan, expected him to have stamina issues at this point.

 

Actually, stamina issues were to be expected given his history, and Redmond was the more obvious choice for 5th starter.

[Captain Adama]

Sanchez is much more likely to bust then Stroman at this point. If Sanchez keeps averaging 4-5 BB/9 in the minors, he's not gonna go far as a starter.

 

Stuff >>> Stats. Especially in the minor league, f*** you and your debbie downer ********.

[Angrioter]

Sanchez is much more likely to bust then Stroman at this point. If Sanchez keeps averaging 4-5 BB/9 in the minors, he's not gonna go far as a starter.

 

Kershaw 2009: 4.80 BB/9, 4.1 WAR

Kerry Wood 2001: 4.75 BB/9, 3.7 WAR (2001-2003: +4.4 BB/9, 3.57 WAR avg)

Bart Colon 2000: 4.69 BB/9, 4.5 WAR

[GD]

Not really at AA though. It's time for Sanchez to start generating results worthy of the hype.

 

I would argue stuff is more important below AA/A+ though.

 

(Not saying you disagree with this.)

[Captain Adama]

Not really at AA though. It's time for Sanchez to start generating results worthy of the hype.

 

I thought you would get the sarcasm, I've been very skeptical of Sanchez since late 2012

[0ctobyte]

Kershaw 2009: 4.80 BB/9, 4.1 WAR

Kerry Wood 2001: 4.75 BB/9, 3.7 WAR (2001-2003: +4.4 BB/9, 3.57 WAR avg)

Bart Colon 2000: 4.69 BB/9, 4.5 WAR

 

Kershaw in the minors averaged 11 K/9 and 3.7 BB/9

 

Kerry Wood averaged 11 K/9 and around 6 BB/9 in the minors

 

Bartolo Colon averaged 9 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9 in the minors

 

Aaron Sanchez: 9.2 K/9 and 4.7 BB/9

 

You are cherry picking here. The only reasonable comp stat wise is Kerry Wood. But Wood, and even Kershaw, struck out more than 11 K/9 while Sanchez can barely maintain 8 K/9 above A+ while having a BB rate close to 5.

 

Sure Sanchez has the stuff but he really needs to work on his command if he wants to be more than just a wildcard at this point.

[GD]

Careful man, liable to piss someone off with gruff comments like this.

 

I'm edgy af.

[Travlfrk]

I don't post often fearing getting slammed by the usuals on here but I think this is a great idea, considering what we have to work with. Get both ready to start on that day and depending upon opponent... You could even take it a step farther. Let's say Rodgers hasn't pitched for a while. Start him and in 2nd bring in Happ for three and see how he does. I know this sounds a little crazy, probably will not sit well if sportsmanship or common courtesy is concerned but it would make for some interesting banter? If Happ or whoever gets a slight advantage L/R split, then you can save McGowan and possibly even give our next starters a rest?

OK let me have it but try to be nice.

[Eragon]

I don't post often fearing getting slammed by the usuals on here but I think this is a great idea, considering what we have to work with. Get both ready to start on that day and depending upon opponent... You could even take it a step farther. Let's say Rodgers hasn't pitched for a while. Start him and in 2nd bring in Happ for three and see how he does. I know this sounds a little crazy, probably will not sit well if sportsmanship or common courtesy is concerned but it would make for some interesting banter? If Happ or whoever gets a slight advantage L/R split, then you can save McGowan and possibly even give our next starters a rest?

OK let me have it but try to be nice.

 

Ban.

 

Edit: J/K

 

I just want to see McGowan given more chances, that's my personal selfish want.

[Travlfrk]

I haven't given up on McGowan yet I just like her idea. We could start Loup for one inning and bring Dustin in the 2nd.

Dustin is really the starter and even if the opponent makes one lineup change because of it then what's the harm? Yes it would piss off the rest of the league but at least it would be something new.

[Jimcanuck]

I haven't given up on McGowan yet I just like her idea. We could start Loup for one inning and bring Dustin in the 2nd.

Dustin is really the starter and even if the opponent makes one lineup change because of it then what's the harm? Yes it would piss off the rest of the league but at least it would be something new.

 

And peg the guy you want to trade to pitch the 5th.... build up that value