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His walks are trending down.

 

So? There are still far too many.

 

All that says is just how brutal his control was before.

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Nah, the rumour according to Morisi, is they're trying to move Andrus. Yet, in this circumstance Profar or Odor make sense.

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So? There are still far too many.

 

All that says is just how brutal his control was before.

 

He's 20. As long as he continues to show improvement there is nothing to worry about with Sanchez.

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He's 20. As long as he continues to show improvement there is nothing to worry about with Sanchez.

 

Lol. There's a lot to worry about with Sanchez.

 

Yes, improvement is good, but it won't matter if it's not enough of an improvement.

 

I don't know why your jimmies are rustled anyways. I didn't say anything controversial.

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Lol. There's a lot to worry about with Sanchez.

 

Yes, improvement is good, but it won't matter if it's not enough of an improvement.

 

I don't know why your jimmies are rustled anyways. I didn't say anything controversial.

 

The BB's really aren't that concerning.

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His walks are trending down.

 

To be fair, so are his strikeouts and his delivery. Certainly not giving up on him by any means, but he's got a lot to prove this year.

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Twenty two in July. Still, the only real bust potential for him is through injury. Unless you consider an above average reliever a bust.

 

He has far more upside than Stroman but the same high leverage reliever floor.

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To be fair, so are his strikeouts and his delivery. Certainly not giving up on him by any means, but he's got a lot to prove this year.

 

Can't really judge the delivery yet.

 

The K rate was disappointing.

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Captain Adama

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Can't really judge the delivery yet.

 

The K rate was disappointing.

 

He could've had a walk rate slightly below 4 and the diminished K rate he had would still leave me worried.

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Can't really judge the delivery yet.

 

The K rate was disappointing.

 

He could've had a walk rate slightly below 4 and the diminished K rate he had would still leave me worried.

 

No, you meant he is 20, and I meant he's 21 and will be 22 on July 1 of this year.

 

The diminished K rate this year is an issue. The consistent issue walking batters is an issue. He's not "trending down" - his BB/rate was up in 2012 compared to 2011, and down in 2013 as compared to 2012. One year of decrease following an increase does not a "trend" make. And, regardless, his BB rate (4.17 BB/9 in the minors in 2013 - slightly higher in the AFL) is alarmingly high, especially when contemplating whether he'll be a quality contributor any time soon. And especially since he's an upright arm thrower.

 

 

“It’s not like my command is bad, they’re competitive walks,” Sanchez says. “Don’t get me wrong, there are some four-pitch walks, but being able to throw my curveball for a strike and put out people with my curveball is probably the biggest thing I wanted to work on this year, because I feel like my changeup and my fastball are pretty much there every night.”

 

 

“I want people to beat me with my best stuff, that’s everybody’s thought process,” says Sanchez. “Getting cheap hits on my off-speed was frustrating at the beginning, but I understood the big picture. This whole process since I’ve been drafted is looking at the whole big picture and yeah, maybe it’s slower and I still may be in high-A, but there’s been a plan since the day I signed and it’s about sticking to it.”

 

In past years the curveball has been more of a finishing pitch for Sanchez—an “0-2 hammer punch-out curve,” as he describes it—while this season he incorporated a slower version of it in the 79–84 range that finishes in the zone. The difference, he explains, is in “the release point.”

 

“I was trying to make it too nasty, and taking a step back, and letting it do the work out front is what’s helped me,” he continues. “It was always a good curveball, I just could never throw it for a strike, so nobody would respect it. They were sitting fastball. Now that I can throw that, it’s getting me through five, six, seven innings.”

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No, you meant he is 20, and I meant he's 21 and will be 22 on July 1 of this year.

 

The diminished K rate this year is an issue. The consistent issue walking batters is an issue. He's not "trending down" - his BB/rate was up in 2012 compared to 2011, and down in 2013 as compared to 2012. One year of decrease following an increase does not a "trend" make. And, regardless, his BB rate (4.17 BB/9 in the minors in 2013 - slightly higher in the AFL) is alarmingly high, especially when contemplating whether he'll be a quality contributor any time soon. And especially since he's an upright arm thrower.

 

I meant his most recent sample was from his age 20 season.

 

Cherry picking small samples there. Even if you were to use his AFL stats the bump in K's was positive. His walks also aren't alarmingly high.

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Can't really judge the delivery yet.

 

The K rate was disappointing.

 

Why can't we judge his delivery? We already know that it a) increases the likelihood of a shoulder injury (something he had this season and something Taijuan Walker, who made similar changes to his delivery, also had this spring), and B) negatively impacts his release distance, which makes his stuff play down across the board. He could succeed in spite of those things, but it's still a negative change and not helping him.

 

The only hope for me is that the Jays were just working on him getting a specific part of his delivery down and will go back to an extended stride this season. If this is what they want to go with long-term, I'm still not even close to writing him off, but I'm worried.

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G-Snarls

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He used a friggen bat? Jesus

 

Yep. Crazy MF. Hope he's banned for life.

 

(I'm almost surprised this has never happened before when you think about it)

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G-Snarls

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He used a friggen bat? Jesus

 

Yep. Crazy MF. Hope he's banned for life.

 

(I'm almost surprised this has never happened before when you think about it)

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Yep. Crazy MF. Hope he's banned for life.

 

(I'm almost surprised this has never happened before when you think about it)

 

Marichal once broke a bat on a catcher's head.

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KingKat

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s***. When/where was that?

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Marichal is also remembered for a notorious incident that occurred on August 22, 1965, in a game played against the Giants' arch-rival, the Los Angeles Dodgers.[23] Twice in the first three innings, Marichal had thrown near the head of Dodger leadoff batter Maury Wills. As Marichal was batting against Sandy Koufax in the last of the third inning, Dodger catcher Johnny Roseboro's return throws to the mound flew too close to his head and one grazed his ear. Words were exchanged, and Roseboro, throwing off his catcher's helmet and mask, rose to continue the argument. Marichal responded by repeatedly hitting Roseboro's unprotected head with his bat.[24] The benches cleared into a 14-minute brawl, while Giants captain Willie Mays escorted the bleeding Roseboro (who would require 14 stitches) back to the clubhouse.

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KingKat

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From Wikipedia:

 

Marichal is also remembered for a notorious incident that occurred on August 22, 1965, in a game played against the Giants' arch-rival, the Los Angeles Dodgers.[23] Twice in the first three innings, Marichal had thrown near the head of Dodger leadoff batter Maury Wills. As Marichal was batting against Sandy Koufax in the last of the third inning, Dodger catcher Johnny Roseboro's return throws to the mound flew too close to his head and one grazed his ear. Words were exchanged, and Roseboro, throwing off his catcher's helmet and mask, rose to continue the argument. Marichal responded by repeatedly hitting Roseboro's unprotected head with his bat.[24] The benches cleared into a 14-minute brawl, while Giants captain Willie Mays escorted the bleeding Roseboro (who would require 14 stitches) back to the clubhouse.

 

I guess he didn't break his bat if he hit him repeatedly. That's some Al Capone s*** right there.

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KingKat

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I guess he didn't break his bat if he hit him repeatedly. That's some Al Capone s*** right there.

 

I found some video. It skips over the part where he pounded Roseboro but you can see both Marichal and Tito Fuentes of the Giants wielding bats in the ensuing melee.

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John_Havok

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From Wikipedia:

 

Marichal is also remembered for a notorious incident that occurred on August 22, 1965, in a game played against the Giants' arch-rival, the Los Angeles Dodgers.[23] Twice in the first three innings, Marichal had thrown near the head of Dodger leadoff batter Maury Wills. As Marichal was batting against Sandy Koufax in the last of the third inning, Dodger catcher Johnny Roseboro's return throws to the mound flew too close to his head and one grazed his ear. Words were exchanged, and Roseboro, throwing off his catcher's helmet and mask, rose to continue the argument. Marichal responded by repeatedly hitting Roseboro's unprotected head with his bat.[24] The benches cleared into a 14-minute brawl, while Giants captain Willie Mays escorted the bleeding Roseboro (who would require 14 stitches) back to the clubhouse.

 

Where was the sportsmanship and integrity clause for that HoF vote?

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jaysfan2014

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This never happens in Toronto...

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24447899/dodgers-fans-may-be-left-in-the-dark-when-sportsnet-la-launches

 

No wonder Time Warner Cable is trying to merge with Comcast.. cable cos. need to stop giving these big TV contracts to teams for RSNs. Good thing the Dodgers are insured if this network ends up the same fate as Comcast Sportsnet Houston, which filed for Chapter 11 protection.

 

Time Warner Cable is just trying to steal money ala Leafs TV here in Canada..

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