McCann close long-term deal with the Yankees

[Key22]

All the War blather - the top 5 NL teams that made the playoffs had the top 5 team ERA. In the AL No team outside the top 7 in team ERA made the playoffs. KC was first but scored 100 few runs than the next closest team and 200 less than Boston. You could have a team of 10 war players at every position but if you're last in team ERA you're not making the playoffs.

 

McCann of course joins a team that is better than Toronto. So whoever the Jays get to play catcher will not be as good. So they get better than us at catcher no matter what we do. Sure by year 4 they may suffer but by then they'll simply buy someone better. But catcher quality in wins is less important that having 5 quality starters and a first rate bullpen. We need to get the pitching and a solid catcher who makes the pitching better. But the Yankees are also looking for pitching and they have 10 times the money to spend than we do. We'll be lucky to get Scott Kazmir or Bartolo Colon.

[GD]

All the War blather

 

Somehow when I opened the thread I knew it would be this.

 

If you had a team of 10 WAR players and were last in ERA you would very easily make the playoffs. And I see no reason we can't sign better than Colon aside from budget impact.

[Abomination]

The Yankees are WAY under $189M, so I don't think it affects Cano at all. They can sign another couple upper tier free agents and still have room for Cano.

 

With this deal and Nova arbitration, this probably puts them around 120M with only two starting pitchers, no Cano, and lots of arbitration guys. 70M may sound like a lot, but it's gonna get eaten fast.

[ElNik2013]

Yeah. If, say, we were paying Escobar $5 million to play short.

 

 

 

And if the organization had kept its top prospect, who happened to be a catcher, they would have even more money to spend on other areas of need.

[kgm1]

MLB radio had the Yankees having 95 million to spend but without knowing what Arod will cost until probably January then if he appeals to federal court it may go on till spring training . That locks up the 25 mil salary and the 6 mil bonus for reaching the HR total . 31 million . With McCann's 17 mil that leaves them 47 million to spend if they stay under the luxury tax of 189 .

 

Cano is going to take around 25 million which would leave them 22 million to fill the holes in the outfield , Rotation , Closer and left side of the infield . Tanaka is their main target but no idea if he gets posted . He would cost around 9 to 10 million . Too many holes left I think.

[GD]

That leaves them over $10 million to round out the pen, add a bat, and maybe another starter.

 

They could probably add a cheap starter and a bat with that but I don't think that gets you very far at all when Jason Vargas is only getting an 8 AAV cause he got 4 years.

[GD]

They don't need anything fancy. Sabathia, Nova, and Kuroda are all projected for like 3.5 WAR next year. If they can add an arm or two to the mix of Pineda, Phelps, and Nuno they should be fine. Plus, they're the Yankees. If they need a 4/5 starter mid-season they'll go get one.

 

A below average starter is one thing but what are they gonna find for much under 10m with room to add a bat?

[Abomination]

Plus, they're the Yankees. If they need a 4/5 starter mid-season they'll go get one.

 

That might be easier said than done if they are up against the cap.

[GD]

Guys like Oswalt, Niemann, Volquez, Marcum, Hernandez, Gaudin, and Lilly are available every offseason on the cheap. Some will make more, but fringy depth arms are always available to roll the dice on.

 

Volquez is s***, Marcum is injured, idk about Faustandez or Gaudin, and isn't Lilly injured? IIRC there was some debacle with him this year. And he's oooooollldddd i think.

 

Oswalt and Niemann could be good fits there.

[Angrioter]

Volquez is s***, Marcum is injured, idk about Faustandez or Gaudin, and isn't Lilly injured? IIRC there was some debacle with him this year. And he's oooooollldddd i think.

 

Oswalt and Niemann could be good fits there.

 

I don't think so.

Do you like Morrow? -- You might get the same from Volquez.

[GD]

You just know they'll be scouring that market. In the last 3 years alone they've ridden the corpses of Colon, Garcia, Jones, Chavez, Soriano, and Ibanez to very productive seasons.

 

Oswalt may prefer a better park for pitchers. Niemann, though. That seems like a wonderful fit.

[jaysblue]

Oswalt may prefer a better park for pitchers. Niemann, though. That seems like a wonderful fit.

 

I see Oswalt going to Oakland on a one-year deal worth $2-3 million. He'll be their version of Bartolo Colon. Book it.

[GD]

I see Oswalt going to Oakland on a one-year deal worth $2-3 million. He'll be their version of Bartolo Colon. Book it.

 

I could see Oswalt having an awesome season in O.co.

[GD]

Oswalt went to Coors last year. He just wants a guaranteed deal and a clear shot at a rotation gig. I'm definitely interested.

 

He's gone to Coors and Arlington, I'd think he'd have learned by now.

[GD]

Matt Carruth has Chris Stewart as one of the best framers in the league. JFaS what's your data on him? Might be worth a look.

[Boxcar]

All the War blather - the top 5 NL teams that made the playoffs had the top 5 team ERA. In the AL No team outside the top 7 in team ERA made the playoffs. KC was first but scored 100 few runs than the next closest team and 200 less than Boston. You could have a team of 10 war players at every position but if you're last in team ERA you're not making the playoffs.

 

Ugh, old people

[oakville69]

McCann of course joins a team that is better than Toronto. So whoever the Jays get to play catcher will not be as good.

 

So they get better than us at catcher no matter what we do. Sure by year 4 they may suffer but by then they'll simply buy someone better. But catcher quality in wins is less important that having 5 quality starters and a first rate bullpen. We need to get the pitching and a solid catcher who makes the pitching better. But the Yankees are also looking for pitching and they have 10 times the money to spend than we do. We'll be lucky to get Scott Kazmir or Bartolo Colon.

 

Good point about McCann. His contract isn't that outrageous giving the new MLB payroll parameters. I wonder if AA will keep JPA & try to upgrade somewhere else.

[GD]

I was thinking that. One of Cervelli/Stewart will be non-tendered or traded on the cheap, and both figure to make ~$1 million next year. I'd rather have either than Thole as backup.

 

If you factor in Carruth's stats..

 

0.5 fWAR + (22.7/9.3) would make him like a 3 win catcher. 2.9 but close enough. Stewart had a ridiculous season framing wise. 22.7 RAA.

 

Available for 1m would be like 333k per win wouldn't it be? lol

[GD]

Janssen + Pillar for Hanigan, and Santos for for Cervelli/Stewart. Extend Hanigan 2 + option. We now have a rock solid but unspectacular catching tandem for 2-3 years, lower 2014 salary commitments, and lose basically nothing of value.

 

I think you're overestimating how much these guys will cost. Cecil for Hanigan makes a good deal of sense and I don't think the Yankees ask for as much as Santos for Stewart. But then again it's inter-division so they may want more or something.

[GD]

Cervelli was having a great season at the plate and it was only 61 PA so it'd be dumb to extrapolate him but assuming framing numbers stabilize quicker than hitting stats, extrapolating Cervelli to have Stewart's playing time would put them at a pretty negligible difference (~1 run). He's also a good deal better offensively. The durability is an issue though.

[GD]

I'd much rather move Janssen than Cecil, though I'd obviously up my offer to Cecil if that's what it took.

 

I feel like Janssen would hold more value than Cecil.

 

Cecil for Hanigan

xx for Stewart/Cervelli

Janssen+ for Porcello

 

And still have a solid bullpen of guys like McGowan, Delabar, Santos, etc.

[John_Havok]

Janssen + Pillar for Hanigan, and Santos for for Cervelli/Stewart. Extend Hanigan 2 + option. We now have a rock solid but unspectacular catching tandem for 2-3 years, lower 2014 salary commitments, and lose basically nothing of value.

 

I know relievers really aren't that valuable, but there are teams out there that do overvalue them highly, so there really would be no reason to offer Janssen for Hanigan, the perceived worth of a closer to the rest of mlb is greater than that of a catcher that a team I clearly has no place for and is actively trying to move.

[Chappy]

I know relievers really aren't that valuable, but there are teams out there that do overvalue them highly, so there really would be no reason to offer Janssen for Hanigan, the perceived worth of a closer to the rest of mlb is greater than that of a catcher that a team I clearly has no place for and is actively trying to move.

 

Yup. Trade Janssen for max value other teams are willing to pay, not just what we value him at. A solid closer at only $4M is a really strong trade chip.

[jaysblue]

Janssen + Pillar for Hanigan, and Santos for for Cervelli/Stewart. Extend Hanigan 2 + option. We now have a rock solid but unspectacular catching tandem for 2-3 years, lower 2014 salary commitments, and lose basically nothing of value.

 

I think you're overestimating the cost it would take to acquire those guys as well.

[jaysblue]

I know relievers really aren't that valuable, but there are teams out there that do overvalue them highly, so there really would be no reason to offer Janssen for Hanigan, the perceived worth of a closer to the rest of mlb is greater than that of a catcher that a team I clearly has no place for and is actively trying to move.

 

+1

 

Completely agree. I don't know why people are undervaluing Casey Janssen's trade value. He's been a rock solid late inning reliever the past 3-4 seasons, and has shown that he can be an effective closer over the past two. He's only making $4 million next season and is definitely a good trade chip at that cost. A non-closing reliever in Joe Smith just got a 3 year/$15 million deal from the Angels. That's the going rate of decent 7th-8th inning guys on the open market right now. So I'm sure someone like Janssen holds far more value and could land something better than Hanigan.

 

Plus, people have to realize that the Reds and Yankees need to move Hanigan and Cervelli/Stewart respectively. It's not like they have an option. I don't think the costs will be that high as some people are thinking.

[jaysblue]

Yup. Trade Janssen for max value other teams are willing to pay, not just what we value him at. A solid closer at only $4M is a really strong trade chip.

 

Joe Smith just signed a 3 year/$15 million contract with the Angels.

[GD]

I know relievers really aren't that valuable

 

Yup. Trade Janssen for max value other teams are willing to pay, not just what we value him at. A solid closer at only $4M is a really strong trade chip.

 

I think you're overestimating the cost it would take to acquire those guys as well.

 

Agreed with all. Trades aren't a rational market.

[Dr. Dinger]

I think you're overestimating the cost it would take to acquire those guys as well.

 

Agreed. Janssen gets you Hanigan+.

[GD]

Agreed. Janssen gets you Hanigan+.

 

What do you think that + is?

[Dr. Dinger]

What do you think that + is?

 

Not much, but I definitely don't think you're adding to Janssen to get Hanigan. The Reds would love to get a closer and slide Chapman into the rotation.