(First time post) Just an opinion let me know what u think.

[Jays4Life]

I know JPA gets alot of hate understandably so he did not have a great year behind the plate. Clearly he not more than an back up catcher. Personally i think he would be a better option at DH. We don't need to run this player out of town he is still young. And yes i know we have Lind at DH but look at Lind he finally stepped up last year and proved that one year was not a fluke. His trade value has to be higher than JPA. And plus JPA is still young and has a power bat still. We traded Travis last year thinking JPA was are guy did not work out at C but lets give him a chance at another position (DH, back up catcher). He is still talented.

[Nox]

[h=2]let me know what u think.[/h]

 

I think you should delete your account. This was not a good start.

[Jays4Life]

I think you should delete your account. This was not a good start.

 

Good talk. Must be one of those guys who want to trade Joey Bats.

[The_DH]

Take a look at his stats and list one full or part time DH with that type of production. When you find one let us know.

[Nox]

Good talk. Must be one of those guys who want to trade Joey Bats.

 

But we can't trade him hez an omgsuperduperstar!!! Profar is a bust Wacha is Roger Clemens ARod should be banned forevers roflcopter.

[Jays4Life]

JPA was one of the worst hitters in history last year, and you want to stick him at DH?

 

Also, he's 28 not 23. There's no reason to believe he's going to suddenly figure something out. He can't hit. It's time to move on.

 

You guys cant be serious....you honestly wand Lind there??? You want a guy who went dormant for years and then has an average year to be year DH? You want that guy over a younger guy who has been injured ?

[Sammy225]

JPA is bad at baseball

[Nox]

You guys cant be serious....you honestly wand Lind there???

 

Lind's a top 5 1B bro. Maybe top 3 all things considered.

[Terminator]

I think you should delete your account. This was not a good start.

 

Geezus...

[Terminator]

I know JPA gets alot of hate understandably so he did not have a great year behind the plate. Clearly he not more than an back up catcher. Personally i think he would be a better option at DH. We don't need to run this player out of town he is still young. And yes i know we have Lind at DH but look at Lind he finally stepped up last year and proved that one year was not a fluke. His trade value has to be higher than JPA. And plus JPA is still young and has a power bat still. We traded Travis last year thinking JPA was are guy did not work out at C but lets give him a chance at another position (DH, back up catcher). He is still talented.

 

His bat isn't good enough for DH. Yes, he has power, but his ability to take walks is atrocious. Backup C is more feasible but he's kind of fickle so I'm not sure how he would respond to that. It would be best for him to be a backup C on another team.

[KingKat]

I know JPA gets alot of hate understandably so he did not have a great year behind the plate. Clearly he not more than an back up catcher. Personally i think he would be a better option at DH. We don't need to run this player out of town he is still young. And yes i know we have Lind at DH but look at Lind he finally stepped up last year and proved that one year was not a fluke. His trade value has to be higher than JPA. And plus JPA is still young and has a power bat still. We traded Travis last year thinking JPA was are guy did not work out at C but lets give him a chance at another position (DH, back up catcher). He is still talented.

 

The only way JPA could (sort of) work at DH is as a platoon partner for Lind so replacing one with the other doesn't really work. That being said, a Lind/JPA platoon would have made more sense last-season than it does now. At that point Lind was coming off a season where his OPS against lefties was only 553 while JPA has a respectacle .774 against them. The rub is that last year, JPA's OBP against righties dropped to .588 about the same as what Lind put up .573. JPA didn't hit well against anyone. Every part of his game went backwards EXCEPT the catching where he showed improvement in his pitch framing. You make him a DH and you basically remove the only positive from his game. If you want to make an argument for JPA, I think the argument has to be that he might bounce back offensively in a more limited role (say in a time share with someone like Hanigan) and that his defense isn't quite so bad when you factor pitch framing. IF you thought he might accept a more limited role and IF you thought he might listen to Seitzer and develop a better approach THEN you could make an argument for keeping him around but I think a lot of people are seriously doubting whether JPA's ego would accept either of those conditions which is why concensus opinion is to say good riddance to him.

[Sammy225]

And he is not a Backup catcher like you have mentioned. A backup is someone who plays good defense but has a below average bat. JPA is Below average in all aspects of the game.

[Jays4Life]

Lind is a very good hitter against righties. If he's protected against southpaws, he can do great things on the Jays roster.

 

Do you really think JP Arencibia is a better hitter than Adam Lind?

 

The same guy who went MIA for the last 2 years. We can actually use this one solid year and trade him for some pitching that we most desperately need. And give JPA a shot at DH were he has shown he has some power.

[Jays4Life]

The only way JPA could (sort of) work at DH is as a platoon partner for Lind so replacing one with the other doesn't really work. That being said, a Lind/JPA platoon would have made more sense last-season than it does now. At that point Lind was coming off a season where his OPS against lefties was only 553 while JPA has a respectacle .774 against them. The rub is that last year, JPA's OBP against righties dropped to .588 about the same as what Lind put up .573. JPA didn't hit well against anyone. Every part of his game went backwards EXCEPT the catching where he showed improvement in his pitch framing. You make him a DH and you basically remove the only positive from his game. If you want to make an argument for JPA, I think the argument has to be that he might bounce back offensively in a more limited role (say in a time share with someone like Hanigan) and that his defense isn't quite so bad when you factor pitch framing. IF you thought he might accept a more limited role and IF you thought he might listen to Seitzer and develop a better approach THEN you could make an argument for keeping him around but I think a lot of people are seriously doubting whether JPA's ego would accept either of those conditions which is why concensus opinion is to say good riddance to him.

 

Were was all this talk with Lind last year?????? i wouldn't give Lind another chance a DH this is when is trade value is at an all time high.

[The_DH]

Lind's a top 5 1B bro. Maybe top 3 all things considered.

 

Now that is rediculous. For periods that's true but over time?

[eastcoastjaysfan]

lol Obvious baiting thread is obvious.

[KingKat]

And he is not a Backup catcher like you have mentioned. A backup is someone who plays good defense but has a below average bat. JPA is Below average in all aspects of the game.

 

Not necessarily. A backup can be a just o.k. catcher with some pop. There's no definite mould unless you have an offense first guy as your starter, in which case it's preferable to have a defense guy behind him but even that's not set in stone. The fact is there aren't enough good catchers around to be too picky about backups. Moderately below average on both sides of the ball makes for a good backup catcher.

[Nox]

Geezus...

 

It's as dumb a thing as you can say on a legitimate baseball board. You may feel the need to guide him through this period of ignorance, but I don't.

 

Furthermore, that's not even sarcastic advice. If he plans on posting here in the future, something that stupid will just be thrown in his face by other posters in subsequent arguments. Better to torch the evidence 1 post in.

[Nox]

Now that is rediculous. For periods that's true but over time?

 

I see the trolling was too subtle. My apologies.

[Jays4Life]

Lind's trade value was at an all time high when he won the Silver Slugger. Lind was crap for a couple years because he was extremely out of shape. After they sent him down to AAA he has shown improvement.

 

Ya he has shown improvement. Thank God but he trade value is at a all time high at this point. We can sacrifice hitting at this point to gain pitching and losing him and replacing him with JPA is not a huge lose. IMO

[Olerud363]

I know JPA gets alot of hate understandably so he did not have a great year behind the plate. Clearly he not more than an back up catcher. Personally i think he would be a better option at DH. We don't need to run this player out of town he is still young. And yes i know we have Lind at DH but look at Lind he finally stepped up last year and proved that one year was not a fluke. His trade value has to be higher than JPA. And plus JPA is still young and has a power bat still. We traded Travis last year thinking JPA was are guy did not work out at C but lets give him a chance at another position (DH, back up catcher). He is still talented.

 

I just posted earlier about people being too reactionary, too judgemental on "differerring opinions". Subject was Trout vs. Cabrerra. I do beleive there is some grey in that kind of issue, and people arguing against the popular opinion (popular opinion being Trout deserved MVP and baseball writers are morons) should not be shot on site.

 

This is a little different. You will be shot on site and you deserve it. You really sound like a Troll... everybody and his brother agrees that J.P. doesn't hit enough for a catcher... and you want to make him a dh??

 

It shows ignorance on so many levels. If you are for real, it sounds like you really don't know anything at all about the statistical side of baseball... so maybe learn a little about that in preparation for your future posts.

[Jays4Life]

Steamer projects a .265/.333/.461 (115 wRC+) with 26 bombs.

 

Lind is a decent DH option and I doubt you'd get much in return via trade.

 

Steamer projected Albert Pujols to have 30+ bombs last year to.... cant go by a site.

People have being purposing trades with JoeY Bats for pitching. And you guys think i'm dumb for suggesting this lol

[Abomination]

You guys cant be serious....you honestly wand Lind there??? You want a guy who went dormant for years and then has an average year to be year DH? You want that guy over a younger guy who has been injured ?

 

Lind has now been "de-Murphisized". He should be fine going forward, as long as managers avoid having him hit vs late inning loogies.

[Jays4Life]

I just posted earlier about people being too reactionary, too judgemental on "differerring opinions". Subject was Trout vs. Cabrerra. I do beleive there is some grey in that kind of issue, and people arguing against the popular opinion (popular opinion being Trout deserved MVP and baseball writers are morons) should not be shot on site.

 

This is a little different. You will be shot on site and you deserve it. You really sound like a Troll... everybody and his brother agrees that J.P. doesn't hit enough for a catcher... and you want to make him a dh??

 

 

 

It shows ignorance on so many levels. If you are for real, it sounds like you really don't know anything at all about the statistical side of baseball... so maybe learn a little about that in preparation for your future posts.

 

ignorance...lol you guys are riding Lind like he is the next coming of Joe Carter. The guy had 2 awful years and one average year and you want to hold on time him.... JPA just having to worry about hitting could do just as good as Lind.

[KingKat]

Steamer projected Albert Pujols to have 30+ bombs last year to.... cant go by a site.

People have being purposing trades with JoeY Bats for pitching. And you guys think i'm dumb for suggesting this lol

 

Whether you trade Lind for pitching or Bautista for pitching, you're essentially robbing Peter to pay Paul and either is problematic although the return you would get for Bautista is the kind of return that you would have a hard time getting otherwise (as opposed to the Lind return which is probably nothing special). In any case, it's not the trading Lind part of your scenario that's dumb it's the JPA at DH part that makes no sense. I don't know if you realize this but JPA's 2013 was one of the worst offensive season on record in the history of baseball. And you are seriously proposing to make him a DH? If you aren't trolling then please stop being so stubborn and willfully ignorant. I tried to hand hold you through where your arguments made no sense but no one will have any patience with you if you keep this up.

[Jays4Life]

There are 750 players in the Major Leagues, Steamer is bound to be slightly off sometimes.

 

What is so dumb about trading Joey Bats?

 

Why trade someone who actually is a potential 300 average 30hr 100 RBI guy?? Do you not see how the Holliday trade went after we trades our best player??

[Nox]

ignorance...lol you guys are riding Lind like he is the next coming of Joe Carter.

 

Sigh. It was merely a troll.

[Jays4Life]

Do Jays fan not see we have been just giving are talent away for bast 10 years?????? And what you guys want to keep on doing is trade away more of our better players?

[Nox]

I think NJH got bored this afternoon.

 

Hurl, ban him too.

[The Cats Ass]

Guys... I think Jays4Life is actually JPA himself.

 

He's trying to convince us to have faith in him going into next season. All he is talking about is his power(not any other baseball stat that could be useful).

 

Soon we'll hear this guy calling himself a Top 5 DH.