League average OPS and OBP falling fast

[kgm1]

MLB radio was talking about this and unfortunately I didn't,t get all the details however league average OPS was 787 in year 2000 and was 702 in the NL last year .

 

OBP was 345 in 2000 and was 317 in the AL this year and under 315 in the NL .

 

Does anyone know a site that gives the league averages ,especially for the last 3years as offense and especially power is on a huge decline

[G-Snarls]

We're in a pitching dominated era for sure

[sachmo55]

MLB radio was talking about this and unfortunately I didn't,t get all the details however league average OPS was 787 in year 2000 and was 702 in the NL last year .

 

OBP was 345 in 2000 and was 317 in the AL this year and under 315 in the NL .

 

Does anyone know a site that gives the league averages ,especially for the last 3years as offense and especially power is on a huge decline

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ss&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

[eastcoastjaysfan]

You posted this in the thread regarding JPA as justification for keeping his "power bat" around in AAA.

 

I really hope this doesn't turn into a thread where you try to pump his tires.

[BlueJayWay]

Baseball Reference has league data like that. The AL OPS has been around .730 the last few years, this year it was about .725. In the "steroid era" it was pushing .800 I think, and even just a few years ago was around .750. I don't know if it's just less steroids or the ball is deader or what, but we're back to a similar hitting environment that existed in the early 90s.

[TheHurl]

Next step...seamless (really flat seamed) baseballs. 2018 is my official prediction. Mark it down

[Nox]

Put on your tinfoil hats because it's time for a pet conspiracy theory of mine:

 

The baseballs have been de-juiced in the last 8 years or so just to give the impression that Selig has cleaned the game up.

 

It doesn't really make sense that power is going to go back down to the levels in the 70s and 80s when players are far bigger/stronger/faster and ballparks are generally smaller.

[Olerud363]

Put on your tinfoil hats because it's time for a pet conspiracy theory of mine:

 

The baseballs have been de-juiced in the last 8 years or so just to give the impression that Selig has cleaned the game up.

 

It doesn't really make sense that power is going to go back down to the levels in the 70s and 80s when players are far bigger/stronger/faster and ballparks are generally smaller.

 

I had an argument with someone (in real life, not a message board) about Bud Selig and conspiracy theories. In this case we were talking about the 2003 Expos and how they conveniently collapsed in a big series against the Marlins in 2003. Which was extremely convenient for Selig.

 

I argued that it was a conspiracy... but a subtle one.... I'll put on my tin hat.

 

People like Selig have basically a sixth sense about people. They are incredibly manipulative and good at getting what they want. There are people with a sixth sense... they know what people will do, how people will react, they snake their way through life. These people can lie and steal but they somehow don't get caught. Like Bernie Madoff... Well he did get caught, but amazingly late in the game.

 

It's not magic. It's an instinct. Like birds migrating. Some people can just pick up on cues, emotional stuff, then get what they want from others.

 

So I think someone like Selig could get the baseball's dejuiced... and never leave a trace. Without knowing anything about manufacturing or material science, he would know who to talk to, what to say, what buttons to push, and presto, balls are de-juiced without a record or explicit conversation about it. It's like a rain-man kind of talent.

 

-- tin hat off.

[Nox]

I think it's more about the pitching quality than the lack of steroids in hitters. I'm not sure what's causing it (maybe an increase in youth deciding to pitch over hit, or the result of increased pitcher health awareness), but pitchers league-wide have better stuff than they did ten years ago. The average fastball this year was 91.7... it was 90.3 in 2007. That's crazy.

 

Bullpen specialization is also to blame... teams don't have 'big bats' off the bench anymore because they have many situational relievers on their 13-man staffs. The result is a lot of zeros being put up in the later innings.

 

Eventually they'll probably have to lower the mound or something, you can't have the league striking out 25% of the time and one-run leads being insurmountable.

 

Tin Foil Hat off: You're probably right. The general, the significant increase in velo is likely the root cause.

[Nox]

I had an argument with someone (in real life, not a message board) about Bud Selig and conspiracy theories. In this case we were talking about the 2003 Expos and how they conveniently collapsed in a big series against the Marlins in 2003. Which was extremely convenient for Selig.

 

I argued that it was a conspiracy... but a subtle one.... I'll put on my tin hat.

 

People like Selig have basically a sixth sense about people. They are incredibly manipulative and good at getting what they want. There are people with a sixth sense... they know what people will do, how people will react, they snake their way through life. These people can lie and steal but they somehow don't get caught. Like Bernie Madoff... Well he did get caught, but amazingly late in the game.

 

It's not magic. It's an instinct. Like birds migrating. Some people can just pick up on cues, emotional stuff, then get what they want from others.

 

So I think someone like Selig could get the baseball's dejuiced... and never leave a trace. Without knowing anything about manufacturing or material science, he would know who to talk to, what to say, what buttons to push, and presto, balls are de-juiced without a record or explicit conversation about it. It's like a rain-man kind of talent.

 

-- tin hat off.

 

Selig is definitely more reptile than human.

[Abomination]

So I think someone like Selig could get the baseball's dejuiced... and never leave a trace. Without knowing anything about manufacturing or material science, he would know who to talk to, what to say, what buttons to push, and presto, balls are de-juiced without a record or explicit conversation about it. It's like a rain-man kind of talent.

 

-- tin hat off.

 

He can't leave no trace though. It would be a piece of cake to get some balls from each year off the internet and analyze them to see if anything is different.

[KingKat]

Didn't MLB openly conspire against the 'spos that year? Wasn't that the year where the team was denied the ability to make minor league callups under the pretext that it would increase some players salary and therefore increase payroll? If that isn't anti-competitive collusion than I don't know what is.

 

I had an argument with someone (in real life, not a message board) about Bud Selig and conspiracy theories. In this case we were talking about the 2003 Expos and how they conveniently collapsed in a big series against the Marlins in 2003. Which was extremely convenient for Selig.

 

I argued that it was a conspiracy... but a subtle one.... I'll put on my tin hat.

 

People like Selig have basically a sixth sense about people. They are incredibly manipulative and good at getting what they want. There are people with a sixth sense... they know what people will do, how people will react, they snake their way through life. These people can lie and steal but they somehow don't get caught. Like Bernie Madoff... Well he did get caught, but amazingly late in the game.

 

It's not magic. It's an instinct. Like birds migrating. Some people can just pick up on cues, emotional stuff, then get what they want from others.

 

So I think someone like Selig could get the baseball's dejuiced... and never leave a trace. Without knowing anything about manufacturing or material science, he would know who to talk to, what to say, what buttons to push, and presto, balls are de-juiced without a record or explicit conversation about it. It's like a rain-man kind of talent.

 

-- tin hat off.

[sachmo55]

Tin Foil Hat off: You're probably right. The general, the significant increase in velo is likely the root cause.

 

Its probably at least partially due to umpires expanding the strike-zone

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-myth-of-the-passive-hitter/

[Nox]

Fastball velocity is increasing, curveball use and velocity and horizontal movement is increasing

 

These are likely the causal factors and the all stem from the fact that pitchers can move their arms more rapidly now than in years past.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Didn't MLB openly conspire against the 'spos that year? Wasn't that the year where the team was denied the ability to make minor league callups under the pretext that it would increase some players salary and therefore increase payroll? If that isn't anti-competitive collusion than I don't know what is.

 

MLB owned the Expos at that time, didn't they? So why pump extra money to the players when the league was just looking to keep the franchise on life support until the relocation?

[KingKat]

MLB owned the Expos at that time, didn't they? So why pump extra money to the players when the league was just looking to keep the franchise on life support until the relocation?

 

To preserve the integrity of competition? No team would ever operate this way in any realistic scenario. This was collusion.

[HERPDERP]

If the stats become too drastic in the next few years then I bet there will be changes to the ball or the distance between the pitcher and homeplate.

[saskjayfan]

You posted this in the thread regarding JPA as justification for keeping his "power bat" around in AAA.

 

I really hope this doesn't turn into a thread where you try to pump his tires.

 

maybe it's a thread to justify keeping adam lind....357 obp .854 OPS....well above league averages last year...

[kgm1]

You posted this in the thread regarding JPA as justification for keeping his "power bat" around in AAA.

 

I really hope this doesn't turn into a thread where you try to pump his tires.

 

I do want him in AAA because I think his bat is fixable . Unfortuately at 2.8 mil the team can't afford it . What i do think is that we will be able to trade him . Won't get much but if I were the Cubs or a rebuilding team with money I would grab him .

 

BTW , Did the f***ing Title thread have JPA in it . You always need to hate someone and go overboard at it . Last few years it has been Lind . FFS Geow up !

Edited November 16, 2013 by kgm1

[kgm1]

maybe it's a thread to justify keeping adam lind....357 obp .854 OPS....well above league averages last year...

 

LOL The haters have moved on from calling for Lind's head Wasn't ECJF one of Lind's worst haters . Wonder who they hate next year if JPA isn't there .

 

Hell I want Ruiz badly but I just feel JPA is fixable .

[TheHurl]

If the stats become too drastic in the next few years then I bet there will be changes to the ball or the distance between the pitcher and homeplate.

won't go that drastic. As I mentioned above the NCAA tournament is going to non-raised seams for 2015 (which means that while it's not required most or all conferences will adopt it as well). The science behind it is unreal, the drag effect on the ball doesn't happen until in flight for a considerable distance, so it doesn't effect the speed of the ball off the bat (thus not effecting player safety). On average the non-raised seam ball travels 20 feet further (from a machine). The distances are greater when the ball is hit harder (which means we'll see more moon shots). If runs keep heading downwards and it's successful in the NCAA's I can see the MLB jumping on it. Supposedly it won't effect any pitch except for the knuckleball.

[Caper]

One thing they could do is stop pitchers from keeping copious amounts of unidentified goop in their hair and gloves.