Time for a poll: Sanchez or Stroman?

[Caper]

It's funny how irrelevant this makes the Beede pick. People were furious. But it really doesn't matter. I still find it weird that the pick we get a year later will have a year in the bigs before Beede even makes it up. Edited June 24, 2014 by Caper

[G-Snarls]

It's funny how irrelevant this makes the Beede pick. People were furious. But it really doesn't matter. I still weird that the pick we get a year later will have a year in the bigs before Beede even makes it up.

 

Great point

 

Hopefully Bickford and Hoffman is a similar story.

 

(Admittedly less likely)

[Angrioter]

It's funny how irrelevant this makes the Beede pick. People were furious. But it really doesn't matter. I still weird that the pick we get a year later will have a year in the bigs before Beede even makes it up.

 

No os desesperéis!

It's too early for conclusions; Beede could be a stud.

[G-Snarls]

No os desesperéis!

It's too early for conclusions; Beede could be a stud.

 

For sure

 

But his point is still valid

[Caper]

Great point

 

Hopefully Bickford and Hoffman is a similar story.

 

(Admittedly less likely)

 

Wouldn't most teams pick Hoffman over Bickford right now?

[ElNik2013]

No os desesperéis!

It's too early for conclusions; Beede could be a stud.

 

 

Yeah, but Beede didn't want to sign. The issue is that they turned that pick into Stroman. Beede also got an education so good for him.

[Caper]

No os desesperéis!

It's too early for conclusions; Beede could be a stud.

 

Certainly possible. But right now, you kind of have to base a decision on what they are doing today. Stroman just dominated a solid MLB team. Where Beede's coaches are worried what might happen if they put him on the mound in a college game. But maybe Beede still has the higher ceiling.

[G-Snarls]

None of us would trade Stroman for Beede right now would they?

 

You keep the (more) sure thing most of the time

[HERPDERP]

Kind of unfair to compare a MLB'er with good projection with a prospect with good projection.

 

It's better to compare both players while drafted.

[KingKat]

Kind of unfair to compare a MLB'er with good projection with a prospect with good projection.

 

It's better to compare both players while drafted.

 

The comparison when drafted would be similar to the comparison now really. I mean obviously Stroman is more established now but the comparison still amounts to safer floor versus higher ceiling.

[ElNik2013]

I don't even know what the issue is here. The Jays obviously liked Beede since they drafted him, but he didn't sign, for whatever reason. They got a compensation pick for not signing him and made another good pick by taking Stroman.

 

The real issue should be why they took Davis ahead of Stroman, lol.

[KingKat]

I don't even know what the issue is here. The Jays obviously liked Beede since they drafted him, but he didn't sign, for whatever reason. They got a compensation pick for not signing him and made another good pick by taking Stroman.

 

The real issue should be why they took Davis ahead of Stroman, lol.

 

They picked Stroman where they did because they needed a safe sign in that spot since it wasn't a guaranteed pick. Stroman was essentially a signability pick though, as it turns out, a rather good one. They just should have picked someone other than Davis with the first pick. You can draft a guy with wheels as a project later in the draft, they should have picked someone with a hit tool.

[ElNik2013]

They picked Stroman where they did because they needed a safe sign in that spot since it wasn't a guaranteed pick. Stroman was essentially a signability pick though, as it turns out, a rather good one. They just should have picked someone other than Davis with the first pick. You can draft a guy with wheels as a project later in the draft, they should have picked someone with a hit tool.

 

 

I'm sure they liked StroShow quite a bit too though. Gotta give them credit, it's the way it works. Agreed on Davis, but maybe they also wanted to save money there to throw it at later round picks.

[KingKat]

I'm sure they liked StroShow quite a bit too though. Gotta give them credit, it's the way it works. Agreed on Davis, but maybe they also wanted to save money there to throw it at later round picks.

 

Stroman was a perfect storm for the Jays. Signable guy, good safe pick but also a guy with great stuff and a likely undervalued assett because of the height issue. AA probably told Beest how fast Davis was and that clinched it for the Jays. Track team!

[Atothe]

They picked Stroman where they did because they needed a safe sign in that spot since it wasn't a guaranteed pick. Stroman was essentially a signability pick though, as it turns out, a rather good one. They just should have picked someone other than Davis with the first pick. You can draft a guy with wheels as a project later in the draft, they should have picked someone with a hit tool.

 

Its not just wheels, he will become a stud at defense, elite base runner, hit for average power. He's essentially a right handed version of those with a weaker arm. Except he has power potential.

 

Edit: Gose not those, autocorrect

Edited June 24, 2014 by Atothe

[Atothe]

Remember guys Brett Wallace had a very good to great hit tool coming out of college.

[Nox]

Its not just wheels, he will become a stud at defense, elite base runner, hit for average power. He essentially a right handed version of those with a weaker arm. Except he has power potential.

 

The fact that he has a learning disability might prevent any/all of those things from happening.

[Atothe]

The fact that he has a learning disability might prevent any/all of those things from happening.

 

Lmaoo you're an ass

[G-Snarls]

Stroman was a perfect storm for the Jays. Signable guy, good safe pick but also a guy with great stuff and a likely undervalued assett because of the height issue. AA probably told Beest how fast Davis was and that clinched it for the Jays. Track team!

 

Jackrabbits!!!

[wilko]

Remember guys Brett Wallace had a very good to great hit tool coming out of college.

 

RIP

[G-Snarls]

Wallace in 79 games this season:

 

.221/.284/.431 OPS .716

 

104 strikeouts in 285 PA! (that's 36.5%)

 

4th OF at best?? More likely AAAA player?

 

He's still "only" 27 but he feels kind of Snideriffic at this point.

 

Gose can probably get on base better and provide way more value thanks to speed and defense. So glad we made that trade or we'd all be booing Wallace out of town right now.

[GD]

27 is past peak age iirc

[G-Snarls]

27 is past peak age iirc

 

Unless your name is Encarnacion or Bautista (obvious unusual examples not intented to imply it's likely to happen with anyone else)

[Atothe]

Unless your name is Encarnacion or Bautista (obvious unusual examples not intented to imply it's likely to happen with anyone else)

 

Eddy had pretty good indicators. Decent control of strikeszone and power. Wallace shows none and Bautista only plate discipline.

[Angrioter]

Unless your name is Encarnacion or Bautista (obvious unusual examples not intented to imply it's likely to happen with anyone else)

 

Or Casey McGehee?

[bzapple]

Wallace in 79 games this season:

 

.221/.284/.431 OPS .716

 

104 strikeouts in 285 PA! (that's 36.5%)

 

4th OF at best?? More likely AAAA player?

 

He's still "only" 27 but he feels kind of Snideriffic at this point.

 

Gose can probably get on base better and provide way more value thanks to speed and defense. So glad we made that trade or we'd all be booing Wallace out of town right now.

 

I cringe at just the thought of Walrus playing the outfield.

[G-Snarls]

I cringe at just the thought of Walrus playing the outfield.

 

For some reason I thought he was playing mostly 1B and some corner OF. My bad.

 

So he's actually a no-bat corner infeilder. Yeah, no one wants that. Not even the Astros aparently.

 

Also, I mistakenly posted his 2013 MLB stats

 

This year he's OPS'ing .751 in AAA Norfolk as a 1B/DH

 

"Just a guy" now I guess

[Atothe]

I think its safe to say Jays won that trade.

[Jimcanuck]

Like a few have said, too early to decide Sanchez vs Stroman

 

We need to see how Stroman fares his 2nd time through the league

 

Sanchez has the better quality pitches, so if he finds control......

[HERPDERP]

bumping relevant thread