Jeremy Jeffress back into a starter

[Angrioter]

 

f*** you Alex, f*** you

[G-Snarls]

What?!?!

[G-Snarls]

Translation: He doesn't think he can acquire a new starter this off season.

[Angrioter]

Translation: He doesn't think he can acquire a new starter this off season.

 

Staters

Rogers

Jeffresssss

Cecil

McGowan

Drabek

McGuire

Jenkings

[Muck Bartinez]

I'd say take anyone in the Jays organization who can throw a baseball and try them as a starter over the offseason (not regular season). There's no downside really.

[Boxcar]

Jeffress has one pitch... he needed a consistent secondary pitch to stay at the major league level as a reliever. Now they want him as a starter... Beeston its not to late to fire AA. Nothing has happened yet.

 

You can be an effective starter with two pitches as long as the second pitch is a good one. I'm more concerned about his control issues and reliance on a big fastball that will probably not all be there when he's going 5-6 innings. Also his ability to actually physically be able to go more than 5 innings.

[KingKat]

You can be an effective starter with two pitches as long as the second pitch is a good one. I'm more concerned about his control issues and reliance on a big fastball that will probably not all be there when he's going 5-6 innings. Also his ability to actually physically be able to go more than 5 innings.

 

Seems awfully ambitious for a guy who hasn't even establishe himself as an effective one inning pitcher.

[The_DH]

Not necessarily. A 1 inning guy has a dominant pitch, a starter needs to mix it up. I don't know if Jeffress has the ability to mix it up.

[DuckDuckGose]

Translation: He doesn't think he can acquire a new starter this off season.

 

Translation: its November 8th and AA is already desperate.

[The_DH]

Shudder!!!!

[G-Snarls]

I see nothing wrong with this?

 

Other than that it's doomed to fail?

[bendera3]

Other than that it's doomed to fail?

 

Just tell him that if he can give us 10 quality starts next year we'll give him enough weed to float on for the rest of his life.

 

You just have to know how to motivate people.

[GD]

Because why the f*** not.

[kgm1]

I see nothing wrong with this?

 

Exactly Jay. Lots of success lately turning relievers into starters and when your Bullpen is overloaded with live arms it makes sense to try turning some into starters. Obviously we can,t keep all these BP arms as so many are out of options .. I would be doing this with several including McGowan.

 

They must feel he has turned the corner with his control and off speed pitches.

 

I would add that even with a trade we have an overloaded BP and you can still move them back to the BP if it doesn,t work.

[bzapple]

There's no real news these days so let's all suddenly give a s*** about Jeremy Jeffress.

[jaysblue]

I don't have a problem with Jeffress stretched out as a starter. If he doesn't pan out than they can stick him back in the pen. I just hope that's not AA's plan to address the starting rotation woes this offseason.

[Angrioter]

I don't have a problem with Jeffress stretched out as a starter. If he doesn't pan out than they can stick him back in the pen. I just hope that's not AA's plan to address the starting rotation woes this offseason.

 

Alex is looking to stay away from free agency due to financial constraints:

 

Jefffresssss, McGowan, Cecil, Drabek, crappy Non-tenders....

[Angrioter]

Cecil doesn't want to start, he told Alex he'd rather the pen. Ace Reliever_FTW!!!

 

I told my wife I was going for a few drinks with some friends and then f***ed with a whore ............... She said me "NO"

 

Cecil and I can't do what we want, we depend on other people. If Alex want Cecil as a starter, Cecil will start games.

[kgm1]

I don't have a problem with Jeffress stretched out as a starter. If he doesn't pan out than they can stick him back in the pen. I just hope that's not AA's plan to address the starting rotation woes this offseason.

I would think AA still plans on getting a starter but budgetary issues and lack of options may mean we don,t get what we want

I,m surprised no one gave Messenger a 2year deal for how little he wanted what with the lack of cheap options out there. I still believe AA moves some BP depth for a starter like you and I have talked about. Just makes sense.

 

With so many live arms in the BP we could get really lucky and wind up with a very good starter.

[kgm1]

Actually, I just read this months Sportsnet magazine article with the Bobcat and AA, McCown asked Alex if he's given it any thought about Cecil and McGowan moving back to Starters? Alex said D-Mac will be training this winter to be a starter and they're going to stretch him out during ST, but there will be no promises. As for Cecil he regurgitated what was said on here in the past, that they internally talked about it mid-season, now apparently Cecil is enjoying his success as a reliever

Makes sense on McGowan As for Cecil , AA make look at how much value Cecil adds to the pen vs as a 5th starter not much better than what we have tons of already with Rogers, Redmond , Happless , Romero and Hutch/ Stroman/ Drabek .

 

More I think about it the more I like Jefferess getting tried in the rotation . Put him this winter learning to improve his off speed stuff and hope to find lightning and if it doesn't,t strike ,Meh move on . Plenty of options

[Angrioter]

JeffPassan

Blue Jays are scrapping plan to turn Jeremy Jeffress into a starter. Good idea. Stuff plays better as a reliever and mentally better suited.

[KingKat]

JeffPassan

Blue Jays are scrapping plan to turn Jeremy Jeffress into a starter. Good idea. Stuff plays better as a reliever and mentally better suited.

 

He had finally started looking like a competent reliever. The starter conversion was a ridiculous reach. I'd stretch out Cecil and give him another shot before Jeffress.

[connorp]

Great guy to have in the pen. My metrics loved him in the small sample last

year.

 

I dont weigh late Aug and Sep numbers the same, i dont think its the same enviornment.. League is watered down and most teams are out of races and looking forward to their summer vaca plans..

 

I try not to anticipate expected production based on that..

 

But just my opinion obviously

[Abomination]

I dont weigh late Aug and Sep numbers the same, i dont think its the same enviornment.. League is watered down and most teams are out of races and looking forward to their summer vaca plans..

 

I try not to anticipate expected production based on that..

 

But just my opinion obviously

 

That's actually an interesting point. JFaS, you should look at eliminating April and September numbers when doing your calculations and see if it improves the accuracy.

[connorp]

That's actually an interesting point. JFaS, you should look at eliminating April and September numbers when doing your calculations and see if it improves the accuracy.

 

April Im ok with. Teams break with 25 best guys to help them win, bodies are fresh..every team is playing for something..

[Abomination]

April Im ok with. Teams break with 25 best guys to help them win, bodies are fresh..every team is playing for something..

 

Yeah, but weather is funky and guys aren't generally locked in yet.

[connorp]

Yeah, but weather is funky and guys aren't generally locked in yet.

 

True.. But they should be..f***ing Jays..lol

 

One old adage is true as we saw this year. You cant win a pennant in April but you can sure as hell lose one

[Abomination]

True.. But they should be..f***ing Jays..lol

 

One old adage is true as we saw this year. You cant win a pennant in April but you can sure as hell lose one

 

Yeah, my point is that their true talent may not be reflected in the stats for those months as well as they are for the other months of the season. It would be interesting to eliminate those months and see if the projections improve in accuracy.

[KingKat]

That's actually an interesting point. JFaS, you should look at eliminating April and September numbers when doing your calculations and see if it improves the accuracy.

 

Yeah but what is the stastitical case for doing that? I mean it's a common trope that September numbers are meaningless but has the boost that players get from the watered competition been measured? Has an April effect been measured? Is either statistically significant? Unless I see some numbers, I would be more comfortable assuming the effects are marignal and largely overstated than assuming the opposite.

[Anemic0ffense]

Maybe AA deals a reliever before camp now....... probably not though. His reliever fetish is extreme.