BlueJays pick up 2014 options on Lind, Janssen and DeRosa, decline option on Kawasaki

[Angrioter]

BlueJays pick up 2014 options on Lind, Janssen and DeRosa, decline option on Kawasaki

[Angrioter]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/blue-jays-exercise-4-million-janssen-option/

 

DeRosa over Kawasaki...................Goins is happy right now

[havok24]

I mean we knew it was going to happen, but f***ing committing to a replacement level player for 2014 in the first week of the off-season? lol.

[Angrioter]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2902327/kawasakidance.gif

 

AA declined to pay $ 1 million for that dance.

[Pete_7]

decline option on Kawasaki

 

Goodnight, Sweet prince.

[GD]

Ugh. So much ugh.

[Frenchsoup]

Hopefully DeRosa retires to broadcasting.

 

+1 give him tabby's job

[Angrioter]

In what facet of the game DeRosa will contribute with us?

If Fat greek wanted a counselor Dr Phil could be a better choice for less money.

[Laika]

I know what you guys are getting at, but picking up a 750k option isn't the same thing as committing a roster spot to someone.

[jays_fever]

I mean, I just can't get over this. I knew it was coming, but I'm still angry. This team just finished -44 and won 74 games. The year before they were -68 and won 73 games. They aren't a good team. So AA knows he needs to add wins, and I suspect he knows that you do this by improving run differential. The easiest way to do do this is to eliminate replacement-level players from the roster and add productive players in their place. So what does AA do? He gives a roster spot to Mark DeRosa on the first day of the offseason. A player who is 39 and has been a replacement-level player for 4 years. Why the f*** would he not have identified that spot as one where he could pick up a win or two relatively easily? Why not add a player with upside so you have a prayer of picking up some runs?

 

The only explanation is that the front office has no idea how many runs/wins Mark DeRosa is worth. They don't know what they're doing.

 

I actually liked the team he put together this year ( assets he gave up not withstanding). The rotation looked solid with 2 workhorses in Dickey and Buehrle, both of which had solid years and 2 good arms in Johnson and Morrow. The lineup looked solid and remained the way throughout the year. The major critic id have is that there was no backup plan for early failures in all in season, which was beyond retarded. Having JP start the year with f***ing Henry Blanco as the backup was also beyond retarded

[GD]

Why the f*** would he not have identified that spot as one where he could pick up a win or two relatively easily?

 

It's honestly simple.

 

I'm fairly sure AA doesn't know that DeRosa is replacement level/worse. His clubhouse leadership and above-.700 OPS probably make AA think that he actually contributes to 2 or 3 wins. Assuming AA even thinks of players contributing wins.

[GD]

I obviously don't know how he thinks, but various comments/transactions have led me to believe that he just kind of does things without having any idea how many runs/wins he's buying/selling.

 

It's like me making dinner. "throw a little of this in maybe it'll work and maybe throw a little of that in."

 

And even if he does, he probably feels that clubhouse presence is a big part of those runs.

 

vpRAA. vetrin presents Runs Above Average.

[gruber92]

Lets just hope DeRosa doesn't crack the line up and refuses to go to Buffalo and retires. 750K isn't that bad to sacrifice on a vet as insurance in case there are some infield injuries. I would be f***ing floored if DeRosa cracks the 25 man. AA can't be that retarded,can he?

[Frenchsoup]

I think he wants Derosa there to tutor some of the young guys.... but the problem is Derosa shouldn't even be on the field so he's basically another coach taking a roster spot... this is why i don't understand when a guy does a bonehead play he doesn't get benched? That would teach guys just as well as the nice calming presence on the sideline.

[Sammy225]

Lets just hope DeRosa doesn't crack the line up and refuses to go to Buffalo and retires. 750K isn't that bad to sacrifice on a vet as insurance in case there are some infield injuries. I would be f***ing floored if DeRosa cracks the 25 man. AA can't be that retarded,can he?

 

What bothers be is that Kawasaki can play 2nd/3rd/SS very very well and he would be a great option for a defensive replacement or offer something. I think he is worth the extra 250,000.

 

I know DeRosa is not guaranteed a roster spot but i can see it happening.

[GD]

Lets just hope DeRosa doesn't crack the line up and refuses to go to Buffalo and retires. 750K isn't that bad to sacrifice on a vet as insurance in case there are some infield injuries. I would be f***ing floored if DeRosa cracks the 25 man. AA can't be that retarded,can he?

 

Of course not, right?

 

Right?

 

...

[GD]

I really don't get how people can see the body of work and think the he's been held back by Beeston. I mean, he's made some nice moves, but at this point they were clearly for the wrong reasons.

 

I think that Beeston has impacted him somewhat, but without Beeston maybe he's a 15-20 GM.

 

I used to love his buying low and staying true to his plan (minus Darvish). I miss having a good GM. Sigh.

[gruber92]

What bothers be is that Kawasaki can play 2nd/3rd/SS very very well and he would be a great option for a defensive replacement or offer something. I think he is worth the extra 250,000.

 

I know DeRosa is not guaranteed a roster spot but i can see it happening.

 

Yup,Kawasaki over DeRosa for an extra $250k is a no brainer. I think AA has plans of obtaining a better in team option at second and use the cheaper (and the better defender) in Goins as our 25th man over Kawasaki. He likes DeRosa as third base insurance,but i'm hoping DeRosa starts the year in Buffalo.

[gruber92]

There's NO WAY DeRosa and Goins can be on the 25 man to start the year. Obviously Goins brings more to the table and is slightly cheaper( irrelevant amount anyway). If DeRosa is part of the season starting 25 man and Goins is not, AA has legitimately got to go. My fear,and probably most likely,is that both DeRosa and Goins start the year on the 25 man.

[GD]

I'm not that disraught (sp?) over Kawa as I'm pretty sure they just wanted to save a little cash, and they're planning on resigning him to a minor league + ST invite deal or something.

[Laika]

There's NO WAY DeRosa and Goins can be on the 25 man to start the year. Obviously Goins brings more to the table and is slightly cheaper( irrelevant amount anyway). If DeRosa is part of the season starting 25 man and Goins is not, AA has legitimately got to go. My fear,and probably most likely,is that both DeRosa and Goins start the year on the 25 man.

 

Goins is young and he can play the middle infield, on a team with middle infield depth concerns. DeRosa is beyond old and he can't really play anything adequately anymore, aside from first base. Neither of them can really hit.

 

DeRosa it is though! Cuz but taps.

[Laika]

Goins

Gose

Thole/Jimenez

RHB Platoon signing for DH, preferably with OF and 1B utility.

 

plz

 

Goins/Gose/Jimenez could actually be a really exciting young bench.... as far as benches are concerned.... not that it matters much.

[Sammy225]

Goins

Gose

Thole/Jimenez

RHB Platoon signing for DH

 

plz

 

That i like.

[GD]

Neither of them can really hit.

 

DeRosa can at least do something resembling hitting though. He's projected to be like 24 points better than Goins in wRC+ lol.

[Laika]

DeRosa can at least do something resembling hitting though. He's projected to be like 24 points better than Goins in wRC+ lol.

 

I'll be marginally surprised if DeRosa hits his weight in 2014. Really thought he hit over his head last year. Felt like his bat was suuuuuper slow and he got a bit lucky.

 

Goins probably hits even worse but when you factor in his gold glove defense anywhere on the diamond... well, Goins should be starting and DeRosa should be starting RETIREMENT.

[GD]

well, Goins should be starting and DeRosa should be starting RETIREMENT.

 

whatta chirp sick burn yo

 

Seriously though, Steamer has him hitting roughly his weight and an 89 wRC+, which sounds reasonable. Dunno how lucky he got on a .272 BABIP but I could see the HR/FB regressing.

[Frenchsoup]

Goins

Gose

Thole/Jimenez

RHB Platoon signing for DH, preferably with OF and 1B utility.

 

plz

 

Goins/Gose/Jimenez could actually be a really exciting young bench.... as far as benches are concerned.... not that it matters much.

 

 

The fact is Izzy is under contract and you can't really get rid of him so he's on your bench.

[Stangstag]

The fact is Izzy is under contract and you can't really get rid of him so he's on your bench.

 

Im expecting Izzy to be better this year though. Return to his career norms at least.

[ace3113]

+1 give him tabby's job

 

I could get behind that. Tabby is such a boring lifeless color guy I saw people at zombie walk dressed as him. Derosa might actually have something interesting to contribute.

[Laika]

The fact is Izzy is under contract and you can't really get rid of him so he's on your bench.

 

Buy him out. He's a sunk cost either way, might as well get someone like Goins on the roster who, at the very least, isn't going to bleed runs all over that shiny green astroturf.

 

2013 Maicer Izturis was the worst Toronto Blue Jay of the 21st century. Perilously close to the worst Blue Jay in history (-2.1 fWAR ties 1977 Dave McKay for 2nd worst, just 0.1 run behind 1997 Carlos Garcia).