Alex Rodriguez fires back - Suing MLB

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Arod is hardly a good example of "professional" in baseball. Besides the obvious involvement in drugs there is plenty of evidance that he was cheating on his wife for many years. Even on the field, I remember seeing this incident live one day :

. One of the most bush league things I've ever seen in MLB.

 

So this might not make him any different then numerous peers in the game, but I doubt his moral code is shared by the majority of ball players. If he were an extreme sociopath, it would be quite natural for him to blame everyone but himself for getting caught. Did the league force him to repeatably break their rules and lie about it ? No, he made his bed and he has to sleep in it. I suppose to some having the big bank account would make up for any shred of integrity one might wish to keep.

[Boxcar]

Arod is hardly a good example of "professional" in baseball. Besides the obvious involvement in drugs there is plenty of evidance that he was cheating on his wife for many years. Even on the field, I remember seeing this incident live one day :

. One of the most bush league things I've ever seen in MLB.

 

So this might not make him any different then numerous peers in the game, but I doubt his moral code is shared by the majority of ball players. If he were an extreme sociopath, it would be quite natural for him to blame everyone but himself for getting caught. Did the league force him to repeatably break their rules and lie about it ? No, he made his bed and he has to sleep in it. I suppose to some having the big bank account would make up for any shred of integrity one might wish to keep.

 

1. He's done some bush league things, but he rarely ever gets into it with the umpires. Even when policeman of baseball Ryan Dempster took 4 pitches to hit him, he said a few choice words and headed down to first.

 

2. *evidence.

 

3. That is irrelevant. Tons of people cheat on their spouses. Doesn't make it right for him to do so, but at least its not a unique behaviour. More to the point, who cares? He plays baseball. I don't care about his personal life, it's none of my (or your) business.

 

4. Sure, A-Rod is a massive narcissist. He's probably a bit of a huge dickhead. I don't see how that's relevant.

 

5. I remember before how you knocked all the posters who thought A-Rod's ban would never hold up in an arbitration hearing. Not so simple now, is it? This is his first offence, and frankly I don't even know if they have that since it really doesn't look like he's been on anything lately. At some point, guardian of morality, you should probably realize that you don't know as much as you think you do.

[The Cats Ass]

I have no problem with what A-Rod, Bonds, Sosa did. There were probably more players on steroids then clean players. Players have been finding ways to cheat since the game was invented.

 

I know if I could make an extra 100,000,000 in my career buy taking roids I would, I wouldn't even have to think twice about it. I'd probably even do it for 10,000,000.

 

I don't like A-Rod at all. And he's done some pretty bush league stuff. But I don't think he is being treated fairly, Bud Selig is being a jackass with the whole situation. I hope Alex wins his lawsuit and his hearing and doesn't need to serve even 1 day of his suspension.

[connorp]

A-Rod is prob the biggest douchebag in this generration to play the game.. very odd character..

 

I will always root against him come playoff time, funny seeing him choke.. but like others, I think Selig is the bigger douchebag and its really hard not to root for A-Rod in this whole thing. I wonder if main stream media have talked about that on tv? I dont really watch.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

5. I remember before how you knocked all the posters who thought A-Rod's ban would never hold up in an arbitration hearing. Not so simple now, is it? This is his first offence, and frankly I don't even know if they have that since it really doesn't look like he's been on anything lately. At some point, guardian of morality, you should probably realize that you don't know as much as you think you do.

 

I don't see anything having been changed. I suggested he'd get suspended a year plus and he got suspended. If you think I knocked other posters well quote me directly I want to see exactly what I said not what you paraphrase and interpret.

 

It's not a first offence ( maybe technically but not in reality ). I suppose there are always technicalities and sometimes guilty as sin people get off for much worse ( even murder ). Bankers ripping people off, athletes doing drugs, people shooting others they fear as "self defence", politicians being slime balls its all too common and tearing apart the US in my opinion. Doesn't make it right just because more people are doing it.

 

This is not about being a "guardian of morality". This is about doing what is right and having integrity. The idea that I am in the wrong for standing for these principals is a little strange. I've made mistakes as a younger man but if you learn from them and own them you become a better person.

[The Cats Ass]

It's not a first offence ( maybe technically but not in reality ). I suppose there are always technicalities and sometimes guilty as sin people get off for much worse ( even murder ). Bankers ripping people off, athletes doing drugs, people shooting others they fear as "self defence", politicians being slime balls its all too common and tearing apart the US in my opinion. Doesn't make it right just because more people are doing it.

 

This is not about being a "guardian of morality". This is about doing what is right and having integrity. The idea that I am in the wrong for standing for these principals is a little strange. I've made mistakes as a younger man but if you learn from them and own them you become a better person.

 

If you could make 100 million dollars from taking steroids, would you?

[Boxcar]

I don't see anything having been changed. I suggested he'd get suspended a year plus and he got suspended. If you think I knocked other posters well quote me directly I want to see exactly what I said not what you paraphrase and interpret.

 

It's not a first offence ( maybe technically but not in reality ). I suppose there are always technicalities and sometimes guilty as sin people get off for much worse ( even murder ). Bankers ripping people off, athletes doing drugs, people shooting others they fear as "self defence", politicians being slime balls its all too common and tearing apart the US in my opinion. Doesn't make it right just because more people are doing it.

 

This is not about being a "guardian of morality". This is about doing what is right and having integrity. The idea that I am in the wrong for standing for these principals is a little strange. I've made mistakes as a younger man but if you learn from them and own them you become a better person.

 

Can you really not see through what Selig is doing? Honest question. Personally, A-Rod's always been one of my favourites but I do recognize that he's a massive douche and an egomaniac. None of that matters in terms of his play on the field (I have seen guys far more bush league than Rodriguez, like AJ Pierzynski) but I understand why it would matter now. Baseball is going to hang his head on the wall as a shining symbol of their victory over PEDs, and it has to be him because he is disliked by a lot of people, his team would support any suspension the league wants to dole out and he's previously admitted to using steroids. Perfect target. I don't care how disliked A-Rod is, this is wrong and he doesn't deserve it. He didn't kill anyone. He's a liar and he cheated, but so did tons of other guys.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Can you really not see through what Selig is doing? Honest question. Personally, A-Rod's always been one of my favourites but I do recognize that he's a massive douche and an egomaniac. None of that matters in terms of his play on the field (I have seen guys far more bush league than Rodriguez, like AJ Pierzynski) but I understand why it would matter now. Baseball is going to hang his head on the wall as a shining symbol of their victory over PEDs, and it has to be him because he is disliked by a lot of people, his team would support any suspension the league wants to dole out and he's previously admitted to using steroids. Perfect target. I don't care how disliked A-Rod is, this is wrong and he doesn't deserve it. He didn't kill anyone. He's a liar and he cheated, but so did tons of other guys.

 

I never said I liked Selig, and baseball itself still has a lot of stigma every time the Hall of Fame voting starts up. The wild card with ARod is did he try to thwart their investigation aggressively ( eg by bribing his dealer ) ? The fact they went after him harder then Braun suggests there are special circumstances in play. Braun got a wrist slap.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

If you could make 100 million dollars from taking steroids, would you?

 

Me, not a chance, in fact I think the vast majority of people wouldn't risk their health breaking the rules on some chance that a 100 million

payoff is possible. The saddest cases these days are the minor league guys going nowhere who get busted taking drugs chasing a likely futile dream. And there are so many cases of retired guys getting massively sick or passing away far too young with a drug history. Do people really want to trade off decades of their life for some money ? I suppose so, lot of boxers take this road for sure.

 

I see a lot of the young Dominican ballplayers ( kids ) are being persuaded to take drugs by their "agents" to pursue the dream, and their at an age where the health risks are massive. This is perhaps the best example of things getting totally out of hand, when capitalistic interests trump everything.

[GD]

Me, not a chance

 

You're in the minority. I probably would.

[Abomination]

You're in the minority. I probably would.

 

I think it's more of the difference of how much you'd make without them. If someone told me I could play ball and make 100 million clean or 200 million taking banned substances, I'd probably value my health more and take the 100 million. If the choice was between being in a minimum wage job or making 100 million, I think 99.9% of us would take the steroids.

[Sammy225]

I think it's more of the difference of how much you'd make without them. If someone told me I could play ball and make 100 million clean or 200 million taking banned substances, I'd probably value my health more and take the 100 million. If the choice was between being in a minimum wage job or making 100 million, I think 99.9% of us would take the steroids.

 

I really think it is easy to say that you wouldn't knowing there is a 98% chance that you would never have to make that decision. Put that decision in front of you when you know that there was no real drug testing back then. I think some people would feel differently. I can't honestly say I would turn steroids down in the mid to late 90s.

[GD]

I think it's more of the difference of how much you'd make without them. If someone told me I could play ball and make 100 million clean or 200 million taking banned substances, I'd probably value my health more and take the 100 million. If the choice was between being in a minimum wage job or making 100 million, I think 99.9% of us would take the steroids.

 

Oh yeah, I didn't think about that, good point. I'm with you. $100m clean is better than $200m on roids, but 100m>minimum wage.

[DuckDuckGose]

Can you really not see through what Selig is doing? Honest question. Personally, A-Rod's always been one of my favourites but I do recognize that he's a massive douche and an egomaniac. None of that matters in terms of his play on the field (I have seen guys far more bush league than Rodriguez, like AJ Pierzynski) but I understand why it would matter now. Baseball is going to hang his head on the wall as a shining symbol of their victory over PEDs, and it has to be him because he is disliked by a lot of people, his team would support any suspension the league wants to dole out and he's previously admitted to using steroids. Perfect target. I don't care how disliked A-Rod is, this is wrong and he doesn't deserve it. He didn't kill anyone. He's a liar and he cheated, but so did tons of other guys.

 

Selig works for the owners. This talk of saving his legacy is BS. He ignored steroids because the owners wanted him to -- he started is trying to clean up the game because the owners want him to.

 

A-Rod got caught cheating and is trying to save face. Regardless of whether what Selig and the MLB have done is right or wrong we know A-Rod is a cheater. Sure, Selig and the MLB are trying to mend their images because of the steroid scandal. Pretending that A-rod is in the right without any knowledge of the facts is just plain biased and as bad as anyone defending A-Rod. It's always best to wait for these things to play out before the finger pointing and name calling.

Edited October 8, 2013 by DuckDuckGose

[The Cats Ass]

I think the health risks are exaggerated to scare people off from them. Especially the stuff they use now. You use it to build muscle for a few years, go off it, and your back to your old self in a year or so.

[kcjaysfan]

I really think it is easy to say that you wouldn't knowing there is a 98% chance that you would never have to make that decision. Put that decision in front of you when you know that there was no real drug testing back then. I think some people would feel differently. I can't honestly say I would turn steroids down in the mid to late 90s.

 

To make a bit of an analogy, I could have graduated with a computer science degree three years ago, but in my last semester, I decided I also wanted to get a physics degree. Now I'm going to grad school to get a master's, then PhD, is astrophysics. Eventually, I plan to be a research professor. I'll probably top out around $60-70K doing so. If I had graduated with my CS degree, I'd likely be making that much right now, and could have potentially made six figures at some point down the road. I chose this path because it's what I wanted to do, even though I know I'll likely be making ~50% of what I would with just a CS bachelor's. Bringing this back to making $200 million versus $100 million, some people would rather not take steroids because of personality, ethics, preference, you name it.

[DuckDuckGose]

I think the health risks are exaggerated to scare people off from them. Especially the stuff they use now. You use it to build muscle for a few years, go off it, and your back to your old self in a year or so.

 

I think there are healthy ways that PED's could be incorporated in to the games. I don't think players are responsible enough to use PED's in a regimen oriented towards long-term-health. Athletes are paid based on results and if unchecked a large number of them will use PED's for short term gain regardless of the health effects. If you want proof just look at Jose Conseco. It's not he didn't know the health implications and yet he took 'roids anyways.

[Abomination]

To make a bit of an analogy, I could have graduated with a computer science degree three years ago, but in my last semester, I decided I also wanted to get a physics degree. Now I'm going to grad school to get a master's, then PhD, is astrophysics. Eventually, I plan to be a research professor. I'll probably top out around $60-70K doing so. If I had graduated with my CS degree, I'd likely be making that much right now, and could have potentially made six figures at some point down the road. I chose this path because it's what I wanted to do, even though I know I'll likely be making ~50% of what I would with just a CS bachelor's. Bringing this back to making $200 million versus $100 million, some people would rather not take steroids because of personality, ethics, preference, you name it.

 

At least the CS degree has some application to astrophysics. I think you're always better off if you have knowledge in multiple areas, as many people don't work in a single job or field their entire lives.

[connorp]

I think the health risks are exaggerated to

scare people off from them. Especially the stuff they use now. You use it to build muscle for a few years, go off it, and your back to your old self in a year or so.

 

Steroids taken responsibly..in an educated manner like a pro athlete would.. dont run much risk of serious health problems. For adults anway. There is definitely unwarranted fear spreading from the media regarding them.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I think the health risks are exaggerated to scare people off from them. Especially the stuff they use now. You use it to build muscle for a few years, go off it, and your back to your old self in a year or so.

 

So what you are saying to kids like GordieDougie here that if they want more strength and/or endurance to help tackle life challenges they should get on a good steroid program asap. Wonder what the medical community thinks about this.

[GD]

So what you are saying to kids like GordieDougie here that if they want more strength and/or endurance to help tackle life challenges they should get on a good steroid program asap. Wonder what the medical community thinks about this.

 

I prefer "annoying adolescent" but close enough.

 

And yeah that's totally what he was saying.