AA - Let down the fans - Dynamic Bats!! -- Has he heard of Arencibia Line??

[Olerud363]

So officially I am on board with fire AA. Latest article is one of the worst things I've ever read.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/09/20/why-alex-anthopoulos-feels-guilty-about-the-blue-jays-season/

 

AA, the fat phony, cries fake ninja tears, says he feels for the fans. Maybe AA feels for casual bob in etiboke who likes to watch JP Arencibia hit homeruns but he doesn't give a s*** at all for the real fans. I wish he would just shut the F up.

 

First off, he NEVER, ever uses the word on base percentage. Dirtyy word. If he uses it I suspect Beeston would fire him for disrespecting Cito and Murph. Secondly he doesn't talk at all about frying the farm. Even to say "I wish I hadn't blew the farm last year, and could do it over on better trades this year".

 

So he gives this long winded speech on all that is wrong and it comes down to Starting pitching. OK. That's a big, big part of it. But this season has nothing to do with giving a .230 on base percentage player 450 at bats?? It has nothing to do with playing second basebmen with a .250 on base percentage?

 

Of course it doesn't. Because the Toronto Blue Jays have dynamic bats produced by geniuses Cito Gaston and Dwayne Murphy. What Dynamic bats are those?? Are we talking the 33 year old who's played an average of 105 games the last 2 years? The 31 year old coming off of wrist surgery?? Lind and Rasmus of recent sub .300 on base percentages who can't hit lefties?? Are we talking about Lawrie who has regressed every season and can't play 140 games anyway?? Dynamic bats folks. We got 'em. Other teams don't.

 

Anyway, starting pitching is important. I agree with that. Not important enough to make a serious push for Yu Darvish. Not important enough to make a serious push for that other Japanese guy. Just important enough to use as an excuse to other suits.

 

Anyway either AA is incredibly out of touch with the fans... or he's purposely rubbing it in. What are the fans talking about?? ArencibiaLine... and AA can't even throw us a bone like "...and obviously there are a couple of positions that had low on base percentages, and we'd like to improve on that."

 

What a bunch of baloney from an awful man. He hates the fans. If he liked the fans he'd get someone to go to the baseball prospectus event. Maybe even acknowledge the Arencia Line as a very humble apology for what has happened. But no... AA only cares about one "casual" fan, the ultimate, stupid casual fan, Paul Beeston.

[Boxcar]

How's Eric Thames doing?

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Seriously, we need an "Olerud's random musings" thread

[Olerud363]

How's Eric Thames doing?

 

?? Eric Thames ?? I am not sure if I was ever to high on him. I probably was.

 

Was I wrong?? ... well sure. I still think it's important to give these guys 600 plate appearances in a season and see what you have.

 

Thames 2012 very similar to Lind 2007, Thames 2011 similar to Lind 2008... crazy similiar. Thames also similar to Garrett Jones.

 

Thames never got a chance for a 600 at bat season. Lind did and got 20 million and a 6 or 7 year career out of it. Same with Garrett Jones.

 

So is it a big deal we missed out on a Garrett Jones and got a 1/2 win reliever instead?? Doesn't really matter either way. Can't remember being big on Thames, but I probably was.

 

Now if you want to point out my past mistakes... Snider, T. I am sure I predicted the sky for him, and whined like a bitch (more than ussual) when he got traded.

[GD]

So is it a big deal we missed out on a Garrett Jones and got a 1/2 win reliever instead??

 

Delabar has posted 1.8 WAR in 84.3 IP with the Blue Jays

[Olerud363]

Seriously, we need an "Olerud's random musings" thread

 

My main topics of musings are on base percentage and the greatness of John Farrell. Both of which I had in one running thread which people (justifiably) got tired of.

 

You're generation is lucky. I've talked about this before I know, but imagine at your age, all you are exposed to is winning. Think of standing on Young Street on October 23rd 1993 into the early morning of the 24th, you are 18 years old. The dawn of the internet age is upon you. Your generation will have everything. Your team... is the best franchise in baseball. Olerud is 25, Alomar is 25, Hentgen and Guzman are about that age too... Green, Delgado, Gonzales are all over the top prospect lists. We thought it would last for ever.

 

20 years in the wilderness later, 2 major-major financial crisis, mass unemployment, the godamn internet is mainly used for foolishness... and basically no one under 30 remembers any different.

[Olerud363]

Delabar has posted 1.8 WAR in 84.3 IP with the Blue Jays

 

I believe the bbref one has him at 0.4 2012 (blue jays) and 0.4 this year.... You probably are using fan graphs or something?? I never have figured out why they are so different.

 

I'd use fangraphs (if it is better) but if it is just sort of random (we don't really know how to measure player to precision of .5 a win) I'll stick with bbref.

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I believe the bbref one has him at 0.4 2012 (blue jays) and 0.4 this year.... You probably are using fan graphs or something?? I never have figured out why they are so different.

 

I'd use fangraphs (if it is better) but if it is just sort of random (we don't really know how to measure player to precision of .5 a win) I'll stick with bbref.

 

Fangraphs uses a FIP-based WAR. They have an RA-9 WAR, though, that has him at .9 WAR in 84.3 IP.

 

Seriously, use Fangraphs, it's better. The articles are absolutely amazing and the stats I find are much better.

[o2cui2i]

Fangraphs uses a FIP-based WAR. They have an RA-9 WAR, though, that has him at .9 WAR in 84.3 IP.

 

Seriously, use Fangraphs, it's better. The articles are absolutely amazing and the stats I find are much better.

 

dont need stats to tell you what's wrong with the jays. lol quoting stats is like pointing out that a leper has a runny nose as he walks away from the nose he just sneezed off. it's right there for everyone to see.

 

front office doesn't know how to build a team and the farm system cant mold players they get into MLB level talent. no one who gets a say knows how to evaluate talent or what to value in players. there are some good guys on the jays roster, but they have way too many *******s who probably cant spell team.

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dont need stats to tell you what's wrong with the jays.

 

this has nothing to do with how bad the Jays are but okay?

[o2cui2i]

this has nothing to do with how bad the Jays are but okay?

 

the front office's decision and their farm system have everything to do with what's wrong with them. it's certainly not cash.

[o2cui2i]

Does AA have any idea how f***ing ridiculous he sounds in that article?

 

“All those other deficiencies — you can win with those,” says Anthopoulos. “Not to say that they don’t need to be improved, but we had two pretty good winning stretches, and when we won 10 of 13, we pitched. When we won 11 in a row, we pitched. The problem is we need to do it in more than a 25-game span. That rotation has to be consistent. That’s the rock, and that’s the foundation, of any good team.”

 

You f***ing increased payroll by $40 million and punted the farm to add pitching. Its failure is on your incompetence, you f***ing buffoon.

 

dont trust the gut, alka seltzer, pepto or a couple days of fasting will help the feeling go over.

 

AA doesn't know anything about baseball and has neglected to surround himself with people who do.

[Laika]

This is my favourite part:

 

"I still think the process, actually, was right. The thought process was right."

 

Ok dere bud.

 

Team is screwed with this guy. Failing is one thing. Even failing this hard, it can happen to the best. But failing so hard and then not even accepting responsibility? Not even entertaining the notion of auditing your thought processes that got you here? f*** man.

 

Like, what the hell is this crap from AA? He says that he feels guilty and then he basically denies that they even made any mistakes. He's a natural born politician.

[Laika]

You f***ing increased payroll by $40 million and punted the farm to add pitching. Its failure is on your incompetence, you f***ing buffoon.

 

No, the failure is on the specific pitchers for being sucky. Oh and also the doctors. Duh.

[GD]

Don't blame management, blame the players! How his players perform is out of AA's control.

 

Also, I bet you were excited in Spring Training! In that case, you have no right to criticize AA. He's a ninja.

 

Said every Jays fan, ever

[Abomination]

The article is hardly as bad as people are making it out to be.

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“It’s more the fans, and it sounds corny, and they’ll be rolling their eyes and saying, ‘Save it.’ But you know there’s those people who are supporting and following and there’s an element of pride for them too, and we’re not delivering. So you have this vibrant, passionate fan base, and we didn’t deliver for them. And that’s awful. That’s my responsibility.”

 

Sounds to me like he's taking responsibility, he also blamed the season on himself, when he said Gibbons will not be fired. Meh, you boys are making too big a deal. I'm more interested in what happens over the winter.

 

Agreed, he's a moron in his word choice like others have said but he's taking responsibility.

[TheHurl]

but no one told him that pitchers are volatile and that defense is a thing. There's no GM manual out there and baseball is hard

[Laika]

Also, I bet you were excited in Spring Training! In that case, you have no right to criticize AA. He's a ninja.

 

True. In the mold of Chris Farley.

[oakville69]

“It’s more the fans, and it sounds corny, and they’ll be rolling their eyes and saying, ‘Save it.’ But you know there’s those people who are supporting and following and there’s an element of pride for them too, and we’re not delivering. So you have this vibrant, passionate fan base, and we didn’t deliver for them. And that’s awful. That’s my responsibility.”

 

Sounds to me like he's taking responsibility, he also blamed the season on himself, when he said Gibbons will not be fired. Meh, you boys are making too big a deal. I'm more interested in what happens over the winter.

 

Agreed. Hopefully Rogers will give him some extra $$ to fix the holes for 2014. The pitching depth is better for 2014.

 

I am very curious to see what he will do about getting a starting catcher & 1 more starter.

[Laika]

He wasn't quoted saying anything about doctors, but the author mentioned it twice, this part has me confused, what the f*** about the doctors?

 

The author says that in their discussion, AA kept going back to pitching and the doctors, as in AA's two big given reasons for the terrible season are bad pitching and poor health.

[TheHurl]

“It’s more the fans, and it sounds corny, and they’ll be rolling their eyes and saying, ‘Save it.’ But you know there’s those people who are supporting and following and there’s an element of pride for them too, and we’re not delivering. So you have this vibrant, passionate fan base, and we didn’t deliver for them. And that’s awful. That’s my responsibility.”

 

Sounds to me like he's taking responsibility, he also blamed the season on himself, when he said Gibbons will not be fired. Meh, you boys are making too big a deal. I'm more interested in what happens over the winter.

 

He's taking blame but not showing that he learned anything. I realize that he can't say it's a big mistake when you've still got all the players you acquired (except the one that he publicly named as a big key to deal) but don't say you would do it all over again.

[Laika]

He's taking blame but not showing that he learned anything. I realize that he can't say it's a big mistake when you've still got all the players you acquired (except the one that he publicly named as a big key to deal) but don't say you would do it all over again.

 

"I feel guilty"

"I take responsibility"

"I didn't do anything wrong"

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"I feel guilty"

"I take responsibility"

"I didn't do anything wrong"

 

[Laika]

I want to go ahead and apologize for what may be perceived as a set of mistakes resulting in this current circumstance but I'd also like to make it clear that while I am willing to apologize I do not necessarily believe that I did anything wrong or caused this set of unfortunate circumstances directly even though you can go ahead and blame me if you want before you blame anybody else except of course for the stupid doctors I mean I do feel bad about the whole thing really im just kind of confused about my own competence and direction and I don't really know what to do or say but talking makes me feel better im hungry lets get shawarma computers r dum

[Laika]

Yeah I get that, just wondering if all the doctors/surgeons/training staff is in for a rehaul? Sounds pretty lame.

 

I think the muddy point is that AA was blaming some of the failure on injury luck. I don't think he was blaming any of the medical staff. Maybe, but I doubt it.

[Jimcanuck]

a 38 yr old for two stud prospects

 

f*** off AA

[Olerud363]

He's taking blame but not showing that he learned anything. I realize that he can't say it's a big mistake when you've still got all the players you acquired (except the one that he publicly named as a big key to deal) but don't say you would do it all over again.

 

That's why the phrase "dynamic bats" really got to me. It's the same thing we heard last year, before all this began. That (despite 73 wins) the core was special and they were going to contend. So now we have dynamic bats.

 

I have money ball on in the background and I hear Peter Brand saying "Don't acquire players, acuire wins, that means you need to acquire runs".

 

Yes starting pitching would be great if that's the best opportunity to increase the run differential. There is also an obvious oppurtunity to dramatically increase run differential by getting new players at catcher and second and left.

 

Instead of just assuming Melky is going to majically rebound from tumour and steroid withdrawal, get another fulltime outfielder. I know a real good player isn't going to sign without being promised a job, so give this guy a job and announce Melky is the fourth outfielder. There are 486 outfield games and with injuries there will be lots of playing time for Melky. Just don't assume the "dynamic bats" are all going to be healthy and performing.

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Peter Brand

 

Oh my god please delete your account

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Olerud363.............pitching and defense has been this teams achilles heel. Especially behind the dish/2B and LF. To think Melky's not going to be much better is foolish, IMO.

 

You watching the Leafs? holy s***