Alex Anthopoulos on PTS - today 5:20 ET

[Dr. Dinger]

JPA is our starting C. Eric Thames was our starting LF.

 

Say what you will about AA, he's always willing to cut bait with guys: Thames, Snider, Yunel, Wallace. Arencibia is f***ing awful at baseball, it's not even debatable.

[jaysblue]

Say what you will about AA, he's always willing to cut bait with guys: Thames, Snider, Yunel, Wallace. Arencibia is f***ing awful at baseball, it's not even debatable.

 

I hope that's true with JPA as well this offseason.

[L54]

Except that he shouldn't have cut ties with Yunel. Still having Yunel would solve a lot of our problems (sliding Reyes to 2nd).

 

 

I don't think you can feasibly have Yunel and Reyes on the same team. Either AA gave up Yunel and got Reyes, or each player stays on the same team during that trade.

[Jays]

Yunel seems to be getting along great with Maddon.

[Olerud363]

Seems like Alex has the reverse philosophy of Branch Rickey. Alex likes keeping guys years too long than getting rid of them a year early.

 

A casual would go to the Jackie Robinson movie, see all the moves Jackie was making on the basepaths (in the movie) then high five Beeston and AA because they got Bonifacio who makes cool moves on the base paths too...

 

Jackie had years where he walked 80 times and struck out 25... Jackie hit .320... line drive power... He was like the anti-Joe-carter. Jackie was worth about 3 or 4 times what Carter was (judging by WAR and stuff). If you asked Beeston who was better he'd say "had to be Joe... 100 rbis a year".

 

Anyway the point is Branch Rickey chose Jackie because he was a great, great ball player and did the things that win games.... He didn't take a risk on a wild swinger Joe Carter type for this... he knew to break the color barrier he needed a seriously great player and Rickey knew what a seriously great player was...

 

Branch Rickey was great, the original "money baller" or "sabermetric guy". Rickey was President, there was no need for a GM. Rickey was both. I mean in the 40s and 50s they knew all this stuff, farm system, on base percentage, aging curves. They didn't have advanced stats just common sense.

[Olerud363]

Except that he shouldn't have cut ties with Yunel. Still having Yunel would solve a lot of our problems (sliding Reyes to 2nd).

 

I wouldn't say never... but it would be nice as an organization philosaphy to do everything possible not to sell low...

 

Hill, Escobar, Snider, Thames, all sold low. Admittedly Snider and Thames went lower.

 

But imagine if AA went all-in to the farm system. Selling Bautista and EE, maybe even Hill, Lind, Romero when they hit a high points....

[G-Snarls]

Anyone got audio link?

 

http://pmd.fan590.com/audio_on_demand-3/Alex-Anthopoulos-on-Prime-Time-Sports-pts-20130910-Interview.mp3

[G-Snarls]

Yunel was a dump, Miami didn't want him

 

Evidenced by the fact they traded him immediately after acquiring him

 

And traded him maybe not so much that they didn't want him, but because he was making 4.5M more than the Marlins suddenly want to pay guys

 

It was the cheaper Hechavarria that they wanted

[G-Snarls]

But imagine if AA went all-in to the farm system. Selling Bautista and EE, maybe even Hill, Lind, Romero when they hit a high points....

 

If only you had a crystal ball to tell you when a guy like Romero was about to tank. No GM would have traded Romero after 2010/2011. He was very good and signed to what, at the time, seemed like a very reasonable contract.

 

Starting pitching is such a fickle commodity

[G-Snarls]

It was the cheaper Hechavarria that they wanted

 

Who, by the way, is rocking a .252 wOBA and -1.8 WAR for the Marlins this year in 129 games

 

All glove player for sure...

[GD]

I wouldn't say never... but it would be nice as an organization philosaphy to do everything possible not to sell low...

 

Hill, Escobar, Snider, Thames, all sold low. Admittedly Snider and Thames went lower.

 

But imagine if AA went all-in to the farm system. Selling Bautista and EE, maybe even Hill, Lind, Romero when they hit a high points....

 

Snider came up and he hit very well, we sent him off at what was likely the most value we were ever going to get out of him while it was acceptable to trade him.

 

If only we had traded Drabek and Snider for Upton or Grienke a few years back haha.

[G-Snarls]

Yunel wore out his welcome. Its really hard too cheer for a guy who doesn't hustle and tries to make every ground ball look like the best play ever. I doubt he would of accepted moving over to second base well anyway. He already has pride issues could you imagine he was asked to move for a player hes better then defensively. All Reyes has is speed on him. Yunel is the better defender and they both have great arms.

 

I know your post was only referring to defense and positioning, but Reyes is also at least 2 WAR better offensively, when healthy.

[Olerud363]

If only you had a crystal ball to tell you when a guy like Romero was about to tank. No GM would have traded Romero after 2010/2011. He was very good and signed to what, at the time, seemed like a very reasonable contract.

 

Starting pitching is such a fickle commodity

 

You mean no GM other than Billy Beane would of traded Romero after 2011. Beane traded Haren, and Cahill and Gio Gonzales at about that point. Now Parker, Malone, Ryan Cook, Derek Norris, John Jaso, are big parts of a playoff team.

 

I'm not saying that AA could of predicted that Romero would stumble... I'm saying that if he went "all-in" to the farm system from day one... meaning once Halladay was traded keep cycling any mlb players with 3 or more years experience, until the team hits 85 wins. Trade Lind, Hill, Bautista, Romero, treat mlb like aaaa... Players that do good at aaa, get a promotion and 500 at bats in Toronto... no pressure. No demotions (unless extreme circumstances).

 

Then when the team hits 85 wins change directions... then acquire the last pieces...

 

Instead it's gone the opposite 85, 81, 73, 7x... Would of been nicer to see 6x, 7x, 7x, 8x... now (with a huge farm) go all-in for 2014.

[G-Snarls]

You mean no GM other than Billy Beane would of traded Romero after 2011. Beane traded Haren, and Cahill and Gio Gonzales at about that point. Now Parker, Malone, Ryan Cook, Derek Norris, John Jaso, are big parts of a playoff team.

 

I'm not saying that AA could of predicted that Romero would stumble... I'm saying that if he went "all-in" to the farm system from day one... meaning once Halladay was traded keep cycling any mlb players with 3 or more years experience, until the team hits 85 wins. Trade Lind, Hill, Bautista, Romero, treat mlb like aaaa... Players that do good at aaa, get a promotion and 500 at bats in Toronto... no pressure. No demotions (unless extreme circumstances).

 

Then when the team hits 85 wins change directions... then acquire the last pieces...

 

Instead it's gone the opposite 85, 81, 73, 7x... Would of been nicer to see 6x, 7x, 7x, 8x... now (with a huge farm) go all-in for 2014.

 

I admit that would have been amazing to see evolve. And yes, imagine the farm and future team you'd have if you had traded all those guys over the past 3 years. We could have probably had Puig, Myers, Wheeler, Stanton and Profar all on the roster by now. LOL

[Tuco]

Yunel would have stayed at SS. Reyes would have moved to 2B.

 

Haha good luck with that.

It all sounds great in theory but good luck convincing a newly aquired 20 million dollar a year player to move off a position like SS especially when hes the much more established player.

 

Reyes would be having none of that.

[bendera3]

Evidenced by the fact they traded him immediately after acquiring him

 

And traded him maybe not so much that they didn't want him, but because he was making 4.5M more than the Marlins suddenly want to pay guys

 

It was the cheaper Hechavarria that they wanted

 

The Marlins are in full tear down mode. Not as extreme as the Astros, but the last thing they would want to do is pay millions of dollars to a player when they are trying to lose this year. You're right, they wanted Hech and AA probably said that Escobar had to go with.

[G-Snarls]

The Marlins are in full tear down mode. Not as extreme as the Astros, but the last thing they would want to do is pay millions of dollars to a player when they are trying to lose this year. You're right, they wanted Hech and AA probably said that Escobar had to go with.

 

Yep

 

AA has said in interviews that Reyes was brought up later in the deal. It started with the pitchers. If he had decided to keep Escobar I don't know what the trade would have looked like. I like to think we got *something* for Escobar but it may have been nothing. Or Mark Buerhle. Or Bonifacio (which is worse than nothing). LOL

[KevinGregg]

It's would've. It's a f***ing contraction of "would have"

 

Who the f*** writes "would of" you sound like a f***ing moron and it is hard to read that s***

[G-Snarls]

We obviously need some new baseball-related material to discuss on here

 

Yeesh

[kgm1]

I still think that JP with the same relative payroll we have now would have made the playoffs here.

 

he had one of the worst minor league system in baseball that we are still suffering from . lets not go there . The JPR era in Toronto was a dark period

 

I edited this cause the frigging spelling nazis are back . I hate spelling Nazi

Edited September 11, 2013 by kgm1