Can Ryan Goins stick?

[The_DH]

AA doesn't usually stick his foot in his mouth, he just doesn't usually tell the whole truth. But he still hired the village idiot when nobody would even give him a coaching job.

[The_DH]

Really???

[The_DH]

Ok we will have to disagree here. I honestly feel that Gibbons is borderline retarded. If you feel differently that's your choice.

[The_DH]

Meanwhile I've had a few beers and all I want is another damn world series win.

[Sammy225]

Hiring Gibbons was one of AA's better moves.

 

+1. The guy got stuck with a overrated team that was made of glass. The guy is great with bullpen management which is in my opinion the most important part. He is a good manager and the unfortunate thing is if things don't go well he will be the sacrificial lamb because of AAs rotation that he stuck him with.

[Caper]

lol

 

 

 

Neither of them have a GG....yet

 

Man Goins can field... He looked great at the plate today... That walk was really good.

[flafson]

Man Goins can field... He looked great at the plate today... That walk was really good.

 

I usually get excited when he does something right, but then you see the next guy or two with the same outcome and you wonder.

[gruber92]

This line up lends lee-way, but not batting weight s***.

 

I agree. You want to do another wager on Goins being above or below a 1 WAR for $50? Everyone including yourself are convinced he'll never do it. Watta you say?

[G-Snarls]

This line up lends lee-way, but not batting weight s***.

 

The lineup can absorb him in the 9 hole when everyone is healthy

 

The problem is, as soon as you put Izturis in there (when Reyes or Lawrie is out) it's double trouble

[flafson]

The lineup can absorb him in the 9 hole when everyone is healthy

 

The problem is, as soon as you put Izturis in there (when Reyes or Lawrie is out) it's double trouble

 

Like today you mean? I honestly would feel better with Kawasaki than Izturis.

Chances are, we will have both soon enough.

[gruber92]

1.5 at 50........his defense is pretty flippin good.

 

P.S. I hope he hits.

 

Meh, 1.5 seems a bit high for a first year player who projects to have a 60 wRC+ this year, no?

[gruber92]

If he lasts more than 3 months, I'll lose this bet on defense alone.

 

The masses don't think so.

[G-Snarls]

No doubt.

 

Of course, most teams could probably say the same. But Lawrie and Reyes just miss so much time...

[flafson]

So 1.5 or no?

 

Are you on Red Bull right now? You act like Lawrie.

[G-Snarls]

I know G, I agree. I'm talking about Goins, the Jays won with Many Lee man.

 

Yes they did. Goins is better than Lee too. By a long shot.

[Jimcanuck]

Yes they did. Goins is better than Lee too. By a long shot.

 

Really? Manny Lee was generally replacement level, but his age 27 season he had a .343 OBP with quite reasonable D at SS. Injuries killed him in his prime and forced early retirement at age 30.

 

This is Goins' age 26 season.

 

It's highly doubtful Goins will be a better overall player than Lee. Certainly not 'by a long shot'

[G-Snarls]

Really? Manny Lee was generally replacement level, but his age 27 season he had a .343 OBP with quite reasonable D at SS. Injuries killed him in his prime and forced early retirement at age 30.

 

This is Goins' age 26 season.

 

It's highly doubtful Goins will be a better overall player than Lee. Certainly not 'by a long shot'

 

Hard to say

 

Lee was a so so defender. Maybe his bat wasn't always as bad as I remembered or maybe just a small number of recent years?

[Jimcanuck]

Hard to say

 

Lee was a so so defender. Maybe his bat wasn't always as bad as I remembered or maybe just a small number of recent years?

 

Lee was sure handed with an average arm and average range. Similar to Reyes.

[Jimcanuck]

Having said the above, I hated Lee. He was the weakest link on stacked teams.

[G-Snarls]

Reyes has a great arm

 

Only his range is an issue. And he more than makes up for it on offense

[Jimcanuck]

Reyes has a great arm

 

Lawrie has a great arm. Escobar has a great arm. Reyes does not.

[Caper]

Lawrie has a great arm. Escobar has a great arm. Reyes does not.

 

He's not the best fielder, but he has a pretty good arm.

[gruber92]

So 1.5 or no?

 

Meet in the middle, 1.25 WAR. Can WAR numbers go two past the decimal?

[gruber92]

Isn't replacement level 0.7 WAR?

[gruber92]

don't be a pussy. Goins is a defensive stud, go for 1.5.

 

stfu

[gruber92]

Don't be a pussy. Goins is a defensive stud, go for 1.5.

 

Who do think you're trying to play here kid?

 

Seriously, that's backhand to the back of the head worthy.

[gruber92]

Everything you have stood for in this thread, all 100+ pages of it, 2000+ posts. 1.5 war or bust

 

Don't you have faith in BTS' judgement call at 1 WAR? I thought he was your master.

[gruber92]

Hey Spank, think about it. We'll talk..

[GD]

Isn't replacement level 0.7 WAR?

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT

 

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[GD]

Isn't replacement level 0.7 WAR?

 

In all seriousness, it's 0.0. At least understand what you're betting.