Can Ryan Goins stick?

[gruber92]

Should bring the old OPS back up over 0.500.

 

Cmon already. If somebody here was ripping on a player with 24 PA, you'd be ripping him a new *******. Give it a rest.

[gruber92]

I was responding to the idea that he's had improved results. He really hasn't.

 

Stastistically you are correct, but that doesn't mean he hasn't made progress in his approach, hence the SSS. He has been going deeper in counts than his norm and has had a bid of bad luck on his BABIP. If he only hits. 240 combined with increasing the amount of pitches he sees per AB, that's still a positive. Let's give it some more time to see if Seitzer can help the kid improve his results.

[flafson]

I will say ST is too small a sample to judge anything. But we do have a large enough sample in the minors.

 

Yea yea yea, chances are he's a bum, waste of space... We know all that, old news.

People should focus on what's been going own SINCE Kevin Seitzer been working with him in the offseason, not what he did prior.

The only question that you guys should ask and try to answer is, whether or not there is a positive change in his approach, and if so, what are the chances that this change in approach will stick?

[flafson]

So ignore 5 MiLB seasons in favour of ST PA's because he got a new hitting coach?

 

I'm not ignoring it, i'm saying he wasn't so great before, can he get better now? And besides, he wasn't horrible in the minors, just not enough to justify a call up.

[gruber92]

I will say ST is too small a sample to judge anything. But we do have a large enough sample in the minors.

 

Things can change. Atmosphere, coaching or just simply his light bulb may turn on. There is also a strong possibility that he may never figure it out offensively, but with the type of defense he brings, it's worth a shot trying to find out.

[flafson]

You're better off just waiting to see what the numbers say. Your own bias is going to cloud your judgment when you start talking about a player you like adopting a new approach under a new hitting coach. The best thing to do is to wait and see what happens. If he has improved the numbers will tell that story when they start to stabilize.

 

I 100% agree.

[gruber92]

You're better off just waiting to see what the numbers say. Your own bias is going to cloud your judgment when you start talking about a player you like adopting a new approach under a new hitting coach. The best thing to do is to wait and see what happens. If he has improved the numbers will tell that story when they start to stabilize.

 

That about sums it up.

[bzapple]

Oh yeah, this is still happening. God this team is a trainwreck.

[JaysFan75]

Things can change. Atmosphere, coaching or just simply his light bulb may turn on. There is also a strong possibility that he may never figure it out offensively, but with the type of defense he brings, it's worth a shot trying to find out.

 

I couldn't agree more.

[G-Snarls]

Drew is looking better and better

[G-Snarls]

Don't forget about our amazing depth, Chris Getz, Jon Diaz and Kawasaki!

 

Stop despairing us LOL

 

I'd really like to get Drew and have Kawasaki on the bench

 

Izturis dumped

 

Goins in AAA

 

Odds of this happening <1 in 1,000

[Sammy225]

Stop despairing us LOL

 

I'd really like to get Drew and have Kawasaki on the bench

 

Izturis dumped

 

Goins in AAA

 

Odds of this happening <1 in 1,000

 

So your saying there is a chance

[P2F]

At least we have Maicer Izturis on the team in case this continues.

 

Am I the only one who thinks that Izturis could actually turn it around and provide 1 WAR or so this season?

 

Goins will inevitably be replaced; hopefully it's by Stephen Drew. If not, we kind of have to bank on Izturis, and I say there's no way he's that bad again.

[flafson]

I don't know how much it's worth but i think Goins will prove you all wrong. I'm willing to bet $20 on that.

[Sammy225]

I don't know how much it's worth but i think Goins will prove you all wrong. I'm willing to bet $20 on that.

 

You could have a lineup for that bet son.

[G-Snarls]

So your saying there is a chance

 

LOL yes

 

What show/movie is that from?

[Sammy225]

Dumb and Dumber!

[G-Snarls]

Dumb and Dumber!

 

Of course. I just watched it a few weeks ago. LOL

[P2F]

I was ok with the Izturis signing at the time, but the guy looks finished. He just doesn't hit the ball very hard anymore - watching him slap the ball last year I don't think it's an accident that his ISO has dropped significantly and rendered him useless. Guy is 34 in August. I think he's just done.

 

You may be right. Perhaps it's just a little pre-season optimism sneaking up on me. I want to think Izturis can rebound, but he did look dreadful last season.

 

Anyways, I will hope.

[gruber92]

If Goins is really bad offensively after a few months, AA has to entertain trade possibilities for Franklin ( if he is still available ). There is no chance AA signs Drew, none.

[gruber92]

Update

 

 

 

Goins this spring

 

13games, 38ab

 

158/222/158 avg/obp/slg

 

.377 OPS

 

13 games, LOL. Knee jerk much?

[KingKat]

13 games, LOL. Knee jerk much?

 

Sure it's a small sample size but he also has a very large sample size of being a not good hitter so the burden of proof is on Goins to show something, to show that this Seitzer thing has made a difference. Otherwise, the only reasonable assumption is that he's the same crappy hitter he's always been and neither Seitzer nor anyone else is going to change that.

[gruber92]

It would be just like this team to give Goins "a few months" to realize he can't hack it with the bat

 

Yeah, giving a situation the proper amount of time for results to be accurate would be something totally illogical. By your accounts, Goins can currently have back to back 3 for 4 games with a few doubles mixed in and suddenly transform to himself to the top of the statistical heap.

[gruber92]

I bet you would be fapping your dick off if it was 13 Games and he was hitting .300+

 

Yeah ok kid.

[gruber92]

Sure it's a small sample size but he also has a very large sample size of being a not good hitter so the burden of proof is on Goins to show something, to show that this Seitzer thing has made a difference. Otherwise, the only reasonable assumption is that he's the same crappy hitter he's always been and neither Seitzer nor anyone else is going to change that.

 

I totally agree, but 13 spring games is no indication of anything yet.

[z3r0s]

for the love of god trade a bag of balls to MIL for Rickie Weeks. Its a one year gamble and he's looked good so far this spring. 3 WAR upside.

[NorthOf49]

I totally agree, but 13 spring games is no indication of anything yet.

Are 2286 professional plate appearances also not an indication of anything?

[gruber92]

Are 2286 professional plate appearances also not an indication of anything?

 

Other than last year,his minor league stats aren't that bad, so i don't know wtf you are talking about. Also the situation could be different this year with Seitzer. I'm not saying he will succeed, but he has to be given a few months. The only reason he's getting a shot is because of the shut down defense he brings and AA's unwillingness to spend on an upgrade. Just sit back and let it play out.

[G-Snarls]

[G-Snarls]