Can Ryan Goins stick?

Jimcanuck · January 26, 2014

starting to think my sarcasm is too subtle

Abomination · January 26, 2014

Well considering his immediate regression the following year, I think it's safe to assume that luck was indeed a major factor...

2013 = 3.0% BB 13.1% K rate, .234/.259/.300, 0.264 BABIP

I think it's worth pointing out that most speed guys (at least base stealing threat ones) tend to have a higher babip, and Escobar typically hasn't. The top 31 guys last year in stealing bases (last 2 were tied so I included both) had an average babip of .328 (that's just a dirty average, not scaled to playing time), and the average for all guys with at least 20 steals was .319

His 2012 appears to be a little babip fueled, but it's not like it was some unearthly number. Some of his other years may have been as much bad luck as 2012 was good luck.

Angrioter · January 26, 2014

Wow, that post contained a lot of "BABIP"s.

Justin Bieber " Ohhh BABIPs, BABIPs, BABIPs........ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh BABIP"

Abomination · January 26, 2014

Escobar is a weird case. His xBABIP is probably well over 0.300, but he's had enough time for that to stabilize, and it has at 0.293. For reasons I'm not going to pretend to understand, he just doesn't maintain a high BABIP. At 2500 PA or whatever it is he has, his career BABIP is a lot more useful than xBABIP in projecting future BABIP though. IIRC BABIP stabilizes at like 1000 PA for hitters.

Yeah, I'm not sure either. I just feel that combined potentially with a change of approach, the BABIP may have been slightly high but certainly doesn't appear to be outlandish. It would have been more convincing though if it had stayed higher last year.

Laika · January 26, 2014

Escobar is a weird case. His xBABIP is probably well over 0.300, but he's had enough time for that to stabilize, and it has at 0.293. For reasons I'm not going to pretend to understand, he just doesn't maintain a high BABIP. At 2500 PA or whatever it is he has, his career BABIP is a lot more useful than xBABIP in projecting future BABIP though. IIRC BABIP stabilizes at like 1000 PA for hitters.

I'm guessing that Alcides is basically just a skinny little twerp that doesn't hit the ball hard.

xBABIP is (probably) just based on LD%, GB%, FB%, IFH%, HR/FB%, IFFB%. If you hit a lot of girly line drives, xBABIP will give you too much credit.

What we need here is ball speed off the bat splits. Mean LD speed would be a neat thing to use. I know that hittracker website has speed off the bat data for home runs..

Fearthedoc · January 26, 2014

Justin Bieber " Ohhh BABIPs, BABIPs, BABIPs........ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh BABIP"

Lmao if you can say the B-A-B-I-P fast enough, that works perfectly.

Angrioter · January 26, 2014

Lmao if you can say the B-A-B-I-P fast enough, that works perfectly.

http://seatgeek.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/justin-bieber-gif-2.gif

Boxcar · January 27, 2014

Pretty bad cover up

The sarcasm was pretty obvious to me.

theblujay · January 27, 2014

The sarcasm was pretty obvious to me.

Normal people don't compare to you and your intelligence.

Boxcar · January 27, 2014

Normal people don't compare to you and your intelligence.

Duh.

GD · February 15, 2014

I hate everything

Abomination · February 15, 2014

I think King deserves a 24 hour ban for bumping this thread after it had finally died.

Olerud363 · February 15, 2014

This thread will never die.

I proposed Ryan Goins will have a .305 on base percentage and maybe WAR and a half mainly from D. Some people thought I was dellusional.

One has to wonder what type of player we are dealing with if a tad over .300 on base projection is considered insane.

bzapple · February 15, 2014

I do like this thread.

flafson · February 15, 2014

Yep

My bet is, they will let him play as 1B or DH and without thinking about catching he will become a good hitter.

theblujay · February 16, 2014

Hopefully Goins does great in ST and takes the starting spot into the season.

Jimcanuck · February 16, 2014

Hopefully Goins does great in ST and takes the starting spot into the season.

Spring training results are meaningless

Abomination · February 17, 2014

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-sees-future-in-goins/

Blue Jays sit down interview with Goins

Not too bad an interview (although a little awkward in parts). What's up with those shirts though?

awsomest · February 17, 2014

inb4 goins hits .400 in ST and the Toronto media goes apeshit calling him the next puig

Angrioter · February 17, 2014

Goins 2B starter :mad:

On the right place, at the right time and with the most inept bosses around the industry.

G-Snarls · February 17, 2014

inb4 goins hits .400 in ST and the Toronto media goes apeshit calling him the next puig

LOL. I called it a month ago. He'll hit .300 in April (all singles, no extra base hits) and everyone will get all pumped up CAUSE HE'S HITTING .300!!! Then he'll hit .180 the rest of the season with an OBP below .250 and be playing in Buffalo by August.

G-Snarls · February 23, 2014

Seitzer thinks he can stick.

TSN:

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=444535

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A safe bet to be the nine-hole hitter if he makes the team, Goins is eager to improve upon the .609 OPS he posted in 121 plate appearances over 34 games with the Blue Jays last season. His .679 OPS in 111 Triple-A games last season feeds into the all defense-not much offense narrative but Anthopoulos is more concerned with run prevention this season after watching his infield struggle with injuries and range last year.

"He needs to be able to hold is own (offensively,)" said manager John Gibbons.

Seitzer, during his first scrum with the Toronto media in January, said he saw Goins as a potential .275-.280 hitter. Their Kansas City rendezvous had already happened so Seitzer was speaking as someone who'd watched Goins up close.

"I see myself as a hitter," said Goins. "I think I can put together productive at-bats for a season and help the team win. Whatever they need me to do. If it's situational hitting, hit and runs, bunting guys over. Whatever is called upon me, wherever I'm hitting in the lineup, is what I'm going to go out there and do everyday."

bzapple · February 23, 2014

He's a potential .275-.280 hitter if you're talking about OBP or wOBA.

G-Snarls · February 23, 2014

He's a potential .275-.280 hitter if you're talking about OBP or wOBA.

He sees himself as a hitter

Jimcanuck · February 23, 2014

Batting average is s***

.280 avg and .300 OBP

i'd be ecstatic with that..... with the defense that's a 2-3 win upgrade over last year

flafson · February 23, 2014

Let's give him a full season before we comment on his numbers. I bet we just didn't develop his bet, we suck at developing position players.

Smokey · February 23, 2014

Let's give him a full season before we comment on his numbers. I bet we just didn't develop his bet, we suck at developing position players.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-30459-Chris-Rock-HUH-WTF-gif-WHAT-TH-oNcJ.gif

G-Snarls · February 23, 2014

Batting average is s***

.280 avg and .300 OBP

And .310 SLG with 1 HR

G-Snarls · February 23, 2014

Let's give him a full season before we comment on his numbers. I bet we just didn't develop his bet, we suck at developing position players.

We've seen guys hit over .350 with plus power in our farm system turn to s*** in the big leagues. (Snider, Arencibia)

It's complicated

theblujay · February 24, 2014

He won't

Good thing the all-knowing King has spoken. No need to even watch the games with this soothsayer in the building.

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