Can Ryan Goins stick?

[theblujay]

Omar Infante, Jhonny Peralta, Howie Kendrick, Daniel Murphy, Mark Ellis, maybe even Bryan Roberts.

 

All better than Goins.

 

They're all good, but what's it gonna cost and are we willing to give it up?

[Captain Adama]

Fair enough, haha. I'm just saying he's not Ryan god damn Goins. My #1 option for next year is probably Peralta (thanks to NJH for the idea).

 

There's always moving Reyes over and signing Brendan Ryan.

 

 

Ooh, Starlin Castro could be a cat bounce target.

 

I would love Ryan as a part time guy, certainly not as an everyday option.

 

Castro shouldn't be considered a "dead bounce" at this point in his career, and I doubt the Cubs would either.

[GD]

Oh and I forgot to mention Danny Esponisa could be a buy low target. Probably better than Goins.

 

I would love Ryan as a part time guy, certainly not as an everyday option.

 

Castro shouldn't be considered a "dead bounce" at this point in his career, and I doubt the Cubs would either.

 

I said cat bounce as in he could be a bounce back target. He's not done, just having an off year lol

[Caper]

Second base has just sucked so bad this year... That even if he is a scrub... He looks like an Allstar out there by comparison.

[Smokey]

Second base has just sucked so bad this year... That even if he is a scrub... He looks like an Allstar out there by comparison.

 

A scrub should never look like an all-star unless you're completely lacking perspective.

[flafson]

No one is calling for a stud, we'd just like someone who isn't god damn replacement level

 

At this rate, we will end up with below replacement level like this year...

[DuckDuckGose]

A scrub should never look like an all-star unless you're completely lacking perspective.

 

Well I guess the debate is settled then since he's looked like a scrub so far.

[GD]

-0.9 wRAA

 

At least it's looking less likely he'll be 2B next year

[jaysblue]

AA was in on Kendrick at the trade deadline. That would be nice.

 

I'd like to see Howie Kendrick or Marco Scutaro as targets for second base. Finding an above average second baseman who can hit and field should be the No. 1 priority.

[GD]

What's our equivalent of Zach Lee? Stroman? That's what it's gonna take for Kendrick, unfortunately.

[GD]

I'd give up Stroman if we are getting Kendrick back

 

I would too, I just like Stro so it'd suck. Gotta give to get though.

 

Wonder if Nolin would interest them.

[theblujay]

I'd rather have Goins start at 2B than give up Stroman for Kendrick

[Caper]

I would too, I just like Stro so it'd suck. Gotta give to get though.

 

Wonder if Nolin would interest them.

 

The Angels pitching is a disaster, so they need to do something like that. If I were them I'd do it for Stroman and Goins.

[GD]

I'd rather have Goins start at 2B than give up Stroman for Kendrick

 

Lol

 

The Angels pitching is a disaster, so they need to do something like that. If I were them I'd do it for Stroman and Goins.

 

Agreed.

[G-Snarls]

I'd rather have Goins start at 2B than give up Stroman for Kendrick

 

Maybe. With Izturis still available (and almost certain to be better next year after an off year) I can deal with not upgrading at 2B.

 

It's catcher and a #1 or 2 caliber starter that we need. That's enough to ask for.

[G-Snarls]

Too funny of a screen cap not to post. Sorry Goins, you're having a great game. And as Buck and Tabby are talking about it, here's what the TV is showing.

 

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[Convo]

Too funny of a screen cap not to post. Sorry Goins, you're having a great game. And as Buck and Tabby are talking about it, here's what the TV is showing.

 

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Poor kid needs to realize he's on TV now

[theblujay]

Maybe. With Izturis still available (and almost certain to be better next year after an off year) I can deal with not upgrading at 2B.

 

It's catcher and a #1 or 2 caliber starter that we need. That's enough to ask for.

 

With the wholes we have there I really think its not a bad idea to go with what we have at 2B, and the best option might be Goins.

[G-Snarls]

With the wholes we have there I really think its not a bad idea to go with what we have at 2B, and the best option might be Goins.

 

We can pick from Goins, Izturis and Kawasaki in spring training. Could be worse.

[G-Snarls]

Are you sure? That's pretty bad IMO. 3 replacement level scrubs.

 

Again, I can live with one of them playing second if we pick up a catcher and a 1/2 level starter. You don't need an all star at every position and has been said 100 times, the market for 2B outside of the unaffordable Cano is terrible.

[GD]

Once again, there's a pronounced difference between not being an all star and being replacement level. As BTS stated, receiving replacement level production from anywhere but maybe a reliever is devastating.

[KingKat]

Again, I can live with one of them playing second if we pick up a catcher and a 1/2 level starter. You don't need an all star at every position and has been said 100 times, the market for 2B outside of the unaffordable Cano is terrible.

 

No you don't need an all star at every position. What you do need is to not have s***** players. A big problem with the Jays this year was that their s***** players canceled out their good players. This article written by Drew Fairservice of Getting Blanked back in August shows how some teams can succeed without stars by merely not having any s***** players and how teams like the Jays sunk themselves by having way too many of them.

 

http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2013/08/06/great-players-average-players-bad-players-it-takes-all-kinds/

[theblujay]

I really think Goins would be replacement at the very worst. I could see him putting up 1-2 WAR.

[GD]

I really think Goins would be replacement at the very worst. I could see him putting up 1-2 WAR.

 

You do realize how insane this is?

[flafson]

Unless we are getting a Cano like, i have no problem sticking with Goins just for his fielding. I won't say the same about the outfield though, AA should market Sierra like he's the next Bautista IMO, it might work.

[flafson]

Da fuq did I just read

 

That's no different than what we been talking about for a while now.

Unless you mean Sierra but i doubt you do.

[GD]

You know what's scary? Being aware of WAR and replacement-level likely makes theblujay more informed than almost everyone in the Jays front office.

 

Not that that's saying much.

 

AA should market Sierra like he's the next Bautista IMO, it might work.

 

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/549/306/165.gif

[GD]

Unless you mean Sierra but i doubt you do.

 

he definitely meant Sierra

 

probably not one of your finer moments

[flafson]

he definitely meant Sierra

 

probably not one of your finer moments

 

Haha, i guess not.

 

Sierra IMO shows talent and potential but lacks some serious fundamentals. With some decent September numbers maybe AA can get something for him.

[GD]

ITT:

 

Goins = 5 win defender

Goins = replacement level floor

Goins for starter

Sierra should be marketed as the next Bautista

Other s*** I'm missing

 

Wow.