Can Ryan Goins stick?

[gruber92]

From what I just seen on that swing from Goins, there is definitely a fundamental base to work from. Adjusting to the pitchers adjustments will be his next hurdle.

[theblujay]

From what I just seen on that swing from Goins, there is definitely a fundamental base to work from. Adjusting to the pitchers adjustments will be his next hurdle.

 

No, remember? He can't hit, ever, absolutely without any doubt. He without fail will suck.

[gruber92]

What a relay throw to home from Goins to cut down ARod at home. His foot work was perfect taking the throw on his glove side, then unloaded a f***ing seed right on the money to home.

[gruber92]

No, remember? He can't hit, ever, absolutely without any doubt. He without fail will suck.

 

Lol. Minor league defensive projections don't mean s***, but future wRC + means everything. Without picking on anybody personally, let the f***ing kid play first.

 

He just had another great AB against Kuroda, no scrub to say the least, before lining out to center.

[theblujay]

Lol. Minor league defensive projections don't mean s***, but future wRC + means everything. Without picking on anybody personally, let the f***ing kid play first.

 

He just had another great AB against Kuroda, no scrub to say the least, before lining out to center.

 

Whatever stats support the hivemind are 100% accurate. For everything they'll cherry pick examples.

[gruber92]

Another great AB from Goins, working back from an 0-2 count to draw a base on balls. SS yes, but his approach looks good.

[theblujay]

Another great AB from Goins, working back from an 0-2 count to draw a base on balls. SS yes, but his approach looks good.

 

But did you see his wRC+ in AAA? He obviously sucks at every part of the game.

[gruber92]

But did you see his wRC+ in AAA? He obviously sucks at every part of the game.

 

Lol. Some people don't understand that stats are not the final and only tool in assessing a player, although for the most part, they stay true. A lot of other variables in the game of baseball that have to be considered before righting off a player. Baseball ia a weird game in that aspect.

[gruber92]

The posts on this page are going to be gold a month from now.

 

You're that confident, even though you barely seen him play? This post may backfire on you too brah.

[Caper]

The posts on this page are going to be gold a month from now.

 

Why would the posts look hilarious in a month from now? Because some people said he has a 10% chance of sticking?

[gruber92]

Man, this is going to be a fun month watching this kid.

[theblujay]

I know it the same way I know King Kong isn't about to reach into my window and steal my dog. Sure, it's possible, but it isn't too f***ing likely.

 

And Yan Gomes is an awful comp;

 

Gomes age 24 in AAA = 140 wRC+ in 334 PA.

Goins age 25 in AAA = 89 wRC+ in 418 PA.

 

They're about as far apart with the bat as Edwin Encarnacion and Andrelton Simmons.

 

Yeah cuz comparing PCL stats and IL stats is a great idea.

[theblujay]

Why would the posts look hilarious in a month from now? Because some people said he has a 10% chance of sticking?

 

I guess he thinks its better to just give up on him before he even watches him play.

 

I'm not saying he's gonna be a great player, I'm saying its foolish to write a player off before they even play a game.

[theblujay]

You don't understand what wRC+ is. That's fine, but you should probably turn down the snark.

 

It doesn't even matter because Goins is known as a defense first guy. But I guess you've jumped to the conclusion that his D is bad, against the opinion if scouts, without watching him yourself, because sometimes scouts misread defense. Sound logic

[Boxcar]

The posts on this page are going to be gold a month from now.

 

I love these guys. They are the most aggressive and arrogant, yet complain about the "hive mind" attacking people.

[KingKat]

Lol. Minor league defensive projections don't mean s***.

 

What Minor League defensive projections?

[Boxcar]

It doesn't even matter because Goins is known as a defense first guy. But I guess you've jumped to the conclusion that his D is bad, against the opinion if scouts, without watching him yourself, because sometimes scouts misread defense. Sound logic

 

Lmfao. You lay on the snarky arrogance for comparing IL and PCL stat lines using a stat that accounts for the offensive environments, then you somehow argue about his defense instead when made to look like the bloody idiot you are. Incredible. Where do you people even come from?

[theblujay]

What the f*** are you talking about? This post doesn't even make sense.

 

You were talking about how his D is bad even though the reports on it were good.

[theblujay]

See my post above. It happens all the time that players who draw rave reviews from scouts for their defense are actually below-average defensively. The human eye is really, really bad at evaluating defense, and everything we've heard about Goins' defense is pretty meaningless.

 

Jeter is one of the worst defensive shortstops ever and people who have seen him hundreds of times think he's elite.

 

No, I wasn't. I literally never said anything about him having bad defense.

 

???

[theblujay]

Lmfao. You lay on the snarky arrogance for comparing IL and PCL stat lines using a stat that accounts for the offensive environments, then you somehow argue about his defense instead when made to look like the bloody idiot you are. Incredible. Where do you people even come from?

 

Looks like you've come out of the hive to back your buddy BTS. This isn't an argument about Goins, its about how you guys dismiss players without giving them a chance. The same thing happened with Pillar, Thames, Gomes...

[Boxcar]

???

 

LMFAO WOW refute that one BTS. You basically said he is the worst defender ever and that a kitten dies everytime a grounder is hit in his direction! That's not cool man.

[theblujay]

See my post above. It happens all the time that players who draw rave reviews from scouts for their defense are actually below-average defensively. The human eye is really, really bad at evaluating defense, and everything we've heard about Goins' defense is pretty meaningless.

 

Jeter is one of the worst defensive shortstops ever and people who have seen him hundreds of times think he's elite.

 

 

 

Congratulations on being a bigger f***ing idiot than I took you for, which is saying a lot. The following statements mean two very different things;

 

1. Goins is poor defensively.

2. Goins has not proven to be plus defensively because minor league scouting reports on defense are pretty much meaningless.

 

Your grasp of the language is really poor enough that you don't see this?

 

Arguing with you is like arguing with a whiny kid who keeps twisting the story and attacking. Your strawmen won't stand here. I've got this quote again to show you something simple. You said below average when referring to Goins

[havok24]

Man this thread is hilarious.

[Boxcar]

Looks like you've come out of the hive to back your buddy BTS. This isn't an argument about Goins, its about how you guys dismiss players without giving them a chance. The same thing happened with Pillar, Thames, Gomes...

 

Yeah, Thames and Pillar sure proved everyone wrong. Gomes is a bit of an outlier, he's been a pleasant surprise but I wouldn't bank on this kind of year from him every time.

 

I'm here to back all the sane people here who are reading your drivel. DJBluRay, is that you?

[JSFIP]

LMFAO WOW refute that one BTS. You basically said he is the worst defender ever and that a kitten dies everytime a grounder is hit in his direction! That's not cool man.

 

The fact that you call other posters "arrogant" and then you churn out garbage like this shows how much of a hypocrite you are.

[theblujay]

LMFAO WOW refute that one BTS. You basically said he is the worst defender ever and that a kitten dies everytime a grounder is hit in his direction! That's not cool man.

 

Do you have an opinion, or just here to watch BTS slay some idiots nerd style.

 

BTW Where's Dinger and Gordie? The clan needs the rest of its people to operate.

[havok24]

Do you have an opinion, or just here to watch BTS slay some idiots nerd style.

 

BTW Where's Dinger and Gordie? The clan needs the rest of its people to operate.

 

You got one thing right.

[theblujay]

My straw men?! This can't be real. Your reading comprehension is f***ing terrible.

 

Just keep diverting and don't acknowledge the facts. Ok. Where are those little pigs to blow over your house of straw.

[Caper]

I really couldn't believe it when I opened the thread and saw 5-6 snarky posts mocking Goins doubters because he had a couple of hits. Who are these people? I mean, its Ryan f***ing Goins we're talking about here.

 

But what you speak of does not exist. I heard people say he had a 90% of failure. I heard people say he's looked ok, give him s shot.

 

It was exactly what I got when I brought up Gomes last year..... he was a strike out machine.... he was going to do nothing but strike out as soon as pitchers decided to throw him a breaking ball (why message board contributors are privy to this information and not the actual pitchers is beyond me). But he's been fine this year.

 

I don't think Goins is a starting 2nd baseman.... I don't think many people here do. But in 5 years, I've seen 4 or 5 guys who were supposed to be awful and have been a great suprise....... Loup, Bautista, EE and Gomes come to mind...... it wouldn't be the biggest surprise ever if Goins ended up improving to the point where he was a capable 2nd baseman.

[John_Havok]

this thread is full of win