Pitching Stat

[GD]

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/1038-I-ll-say-it-WALKS-ARE-OVERRATED

 

He's a f***ING CLOWN

 

Lol, this is great.

 

Whats wrong with what he said? As I wrote earlier it IS A TEAM GAME. I guess you think we should just line up the pitchers FIPs and whoever is lower wins the game. Like I said, robots...thats what you want, robots.

 

This is like saying Cabrera deseved MVP more than Trout last year because his team won more games. Yes, it's a team game (sorta), but why shouldn't pitchers be evaluated on what they control, and not what other individuals control?

[theblujay]

There shouldn't be one though. There's no reason to have these metrics when we have better ones available (FIP, xFIP, SIERA, tERA).

 

FIP isn't real. Its simply not

[Save Dtieb]

The Blue jays seriously lack TWTW.

[theblujay]

Lol, this is great.

 

 

 

This is like saying Cabrera deseved MVP more than Trout last year because his team won more games. Yes, it's a team game (sorta), but why shouldn't pitchers be evaluated on what they control, and not what other individuals control?

 

1. Cabrera did deserve the MVP. He won the freaking triple crown.

 

2. I guess you think batters should be evaluated on things only they can control. We should judge batters based on identical pitches from a pitching machine and see where they hit it. Stolen bases should be about speed only, cuz thats all they control.

[JSFIP]

Lol what? I didnt break the Boni news

 

Bautista trade?

[theblujay]

Lol what? I didnt break the Boni news

 

here http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/1238-GDT(1-2-3)-Toronto-Blue-Jays-New-York-Yankees-Doubleheader-1-05-amp-7-05-PM-ET/page5

[JSFIP]

Bautista wasn't traded you f***ing dipshit

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/...05-PM-ET/page5

 

??????????

[theblujay]

What are we trying to measure though? The pitcher's talent? Or the actual outcome? If we want to know about the talent we use FIP and xFIP, if we care about the results we already have ERA.

 

Talent=/results. I don't care if a pitcher has a low FIP and xFIP if they can't keep the other team from scoring runs and getting on base. FIP isn't even real, it doesn't take into account things that are a real part of a baseball game. (See Johnson, Josh. He looked terrible and you can tell he was getting beat up, but he still has a low FIP)

[Captain Adama]

What are we trying to measure though? The pitcher's talent? Or the actual outcome? If we want to know about the talent we use FIP and xFIP, if we care about the results we already have ERA.

 

Plus, in the disparity between ERA and FIP more often than not, ERA will regress to the FIP.

[JSFIP]

That was 100% not serious, I don't even know where that comes into discussion

 

K, so when you "joke" it's 100% not serious, but my post history can be brought up because I disagree with you? Sound logic bro

[theblujay]

AVG, HR, RBI. Leading meaningless stats like AVG, and RBI doesn't mean they deserve the MVP.

 

Meaningless stats?!?! Oh boy don't tempt me, I'm trying to resist writing an essay, no a book, in rebuttal to this.

[Save Dtieb]

What are we trying to measure though? The pitcher's talent? Or the actual outcome? If we want to know about the talent we use FIP and xFIP, if we care about the results we already have ERA.

 

ERA isn't a great stat. A guy could walk 3 guys, and his fielders get a triple play. No ERA's. But an awful inning.

[Captain Adama]

Talent=/results. I don't care if a pitcher has a low FIP and xFIP if they can't keep the other team from scoring runs and getting on base. FIP isn't even real, it doesn't take into account things that are a real part of a baseball game. (See Johnson, Josh. He looked terrible and you can tell he was getting beat up, but he still has a low FIP)

 

Really? You mean all the home runs, strikeouts and walks that I see at a baseball games are all lies?!!

 

Jesus Christ I must be trippin' balls!

[JSFIP]

What is going on? This thread went to s*** real fast

 

Yup, right after you started posting other people's history. Exactly.

[theblujay]

AVG, HR, RBI. Leading meaningless stats like AVG, and RBI doesn't mean they deserve the MVP.

 

I'd argue that AVG and HRs are two of the most important stats, if not most important.

[Save Dtieb]

By the way, I'm glad I started this mess.

[GD]

FIP isn't real. Its simply not

 

Wow.

 

1. Cabrera did deserve the MVP. He won the freaking triple crown.

 

2. I guess you think batters should be evaluated on things only they can control. We should judge batters based on identical pitches from a pitching machine and see where they hit it. Stolen bases should be about speed only, cuz thats all they control.

 

1.) I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, re read what I said.

 

2.) wat?

 

Why is this thread happening?

 

Because we like the Blue Jays, thus, we can't have nice things.

[GD]

I don't even know what is going on in this thread

 

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2h47sQ1Cn1r95m39o1_500.gif

[theblujay]

FIP looks at walks, homeruns, strikeouts, and innings pitched.

 

But then I guess it doesn't look at hits or runs, which are the most important things in baseball. Like I said, not real.

[GD]

More often than not is an understatement. There are like 4 pitchers for whom people in baseball are comfortable using ERA is a better predictor of future performance than DIPS.

 

Dickey, Cain, who else?

[DuckDuckGose]

There isn't an equivalent OPS stat for pitchers that's widely used. I still don't think TB should be used, cause the pitcher can't control that. A hit given up, is a hit given up. And yes, a walk is as bad as a hit.

 

UHH BS. A pitcher absolutely can control the type of hit given up. It's why GB rates differ and why having a high one is a good thing.

 

The issue isn't that your stat couldn't be used it's that there is no reason to use it. Kind of like going out to buy green paint when you already have blue and yellow to mix.

[JSFIP]

Yes, I am the reason this thread went to s***. Good one meathead

 

Your avi=mead+head=you are the meathead

[GD]

But then I guess it doesn't look at hits or runs, which are the most important things in baseball. Like I said, not real.

 

I'm sorry, do a pitcher's walks, strikeouts, and home runs not exist?

 

f***, a home run is both a hit and a run! How does it not exist?!?! ._.

[theblujay]

There are things called team defense and luck. That's not Josh Johnson's fault.

 

We should get robot fielders that are the same for everyteam so we can accurately measure each pitchers effectiveness!!!!!!!!!! If you watched at all JJ was giving up loads of hard hit balls and throwing straight fastballs all year. His FIP looked nice because he gots Kzzz, but he sucked.

[DuckDuckGose]

But then I guess it doesn't look at hits or runs, which are the most important things in baseball. Like I said, not real.

 

It's fielding independent pitching though, it measures pitcher effectiveness by looking at the variables they can control... Hits and runs are controlled by team performance.

[JSFIP]

Yes, I am the reason this thread went to s***. Good one meathead

 

But seriously yes

[GD]

This thread is some old-board s***.

[GD]

But then I guess it doesn't look at hits or runs, which are the most important things in baseball. Like I said, not real.

 

Go take a look at FIP's formula

[havok24]

Can we just banish these idiots to the Cards board?

[theblujay]

I'm sorry, do a pitcher's walks, strikeouts, and home runs not exist?

 

f***, a home run is both a hit and a run! How does it not exist?!?! ._.

 

Dude, your lost don't try to understand. FIP doesn't take into account many real things in baseball, like hits and runs. HITS AND RUNS. You win by getting RUNS.