Pitching Stat

[Save Dtieb]

So I am watching the game today, and thought about how people hate win/loss records and era because it doesn't really reflect how well a pitcher is pitching, blah blah blah.

 

So here is the stat I came up with.

 

H + ER + BB *9 / IP Pretty easy right? But I haven't seen it anywhere.

 

 

Blue Jays Pitching Effectiveness (as of August 20 2013)

 

Starters

 

RA Dickey - 16.04

Mark Buehrle - 16.19

Josh Johnson - 21.14

Brandon Morrow - 19.05

JA Happ - 18.06

Esmil Rogers - 18.56

Todd Redmond - 13.29

Ramon Ortiz - 22.03

Chien-Ming Wang - 23.63

Chad Jenkins - 16.80

Ricky Romero - 37.41

Aaron Laffey - 30.34

Sean Nolin - 94.74

 

Relievers

 

Casey Janssen - 11.93

Aaron Loup - 12.61

Brett Cecil - 12.50

Steve Delabar - 14.86

Darren Oliver - 15.68

Juan Perez - 14.49

Brad Lincoln - 15.43

Neil Wagner - 14.12

Dustin McGowan - 13.24

Sergio Santos - 11.68

Edgar Gonzalez - 23.63

Thad Weber - 18.00

Mickey Storey - 22.50

Dave Bush - 33.00

Justin Germano - 36.00

Jeremy Jeffress - 36.00

 

Top 10 AL ERA Leaders

 

Hiroki Kuroda - 11.90

Anibal Sanchez - 12.65

Felix Hernandez - 12.54

Yu Darvish - 11.91

Chris Sale - 12.41

Max Scherzer - 10.91

Derek Holland - 14.04

Hisashi Iwakuma - 11.95

Bartolo Colon - 13.65

Ervin Santana - 13.31

 

Top 10 NL ERA Leaders

 

Clayton Kershaw - 9.46

Matt Harvey - 10.28

Jose Fernandez - 11.62

Patrick Corbin - 11.65

Adam Wainwright - 12.05

Madison Bumgarner - 11.98

Jeff Locke - 14.82

Stephan Strasburg - 12.46

Hyun-Jin Ryu - 13.93

Julio Terheran - 13.59

 

Masahiro Tanaka - 9.40

Kenta Maeda - 10.40

Chihiro Kaneko - 10.78

 

Our pitching sucks, and Kershaw is awesome. Also, sign Tanaka please.

[GD]

Huh, could be nice for people who think hit prevention is a skill. I'll still take my DIPS stats every day of the week and twice on hump day though.

[Save Dtieb]

I find the majority of people will look at you with dead eyes when you try to explain xFIP or FIP and they lose interest half way through your explanation. Which is why it'll never become a stat the majority of people look too.

[GD]

I find the majority of people will look at you with dead eyes when you try to explain xFIP or FIP and they lose interest half way through your explanation. Which is why it'll never become a stat the majority of people look too.

 

Well that's too bad for them lol, it's better than anything else out there.

[Save Dtieb]

FIP and xFIP is the should've, could've stat. It's not real. It's a team game after all.

[DuckDuckGose]

So I am watching the game today, and thought about how people hate win/loss records and era because it doesn't really reflect how well a pitcher is pitching, blah blah blah.

 

So here is the stat I came up with.

 

H + ER + BB *9 / IP Pretty easy right? But I haven't seen it anywhere.

 

 

Blue Jays Pitching Effectiveness (as of August 20 2013)

 

Starters

 

RA Dickey - 16.04

Mark Buehrle - 16.19

Josh Johnson - 21.14

Brandon Morrow - 19.05

JA Happ - 18.06

Esmil Rogers - 18.56

Todd Redmond - 13.29

Ramon Ortiz - 22.03

Chien-Ming Wang - 23.63

Chad Jenkins - 16.80

Ricky Romero - 37.41

Aaron Laffey - 30.34

Sean Nolin - 94.74

 

Relievers

 

Casey Janssen - 11.93

Aaron Loup - 12.61

Brett Cecil - 12.50

Steve Delabar - 14.86

Darren Oliver - 15.68

Juan Perez - 14.49

Brad Lincoln - 15.43

Neil Wagner - 14.12

Dustin McGowan - 13.24

Sergio Santos - 11.68

Edgar Gonzalez - 23.63

Thad Weber - 18.00

Mickey Storey - 22.50

Dave Bush - 33.00

Justin Germano - 36.00

Jeremy Jeffress - 36.00

 

Top 10 AL ERA Leaders

 

Hiroki Kuroda - 11.90

Anibal Sanchez - 12.65

Felix Hernandez - 12.54

Yu Darvish - 11.91

Chris Sale - 12.41

Max Scherzer - 10.91

Derek Holland - 14.04

Hisashi Iwakuma - 11.95

Bartolo Colon - 13.65

Ervin Santana - 13.31

 

Top 10 NL ERA Leaders

 

Clayton Kershaw - 9.46

Matt Harvey - 10.28

Jose Fernandez - 11.62

Patrick Corbin - 11.65

Adam Wainwright - 12.05

Madison Bumgarner - 11.98

Jeff Locke - 14.82

Stephan Strasburg - 12.46

Hyun-Jin Ryu - 13.93

Julio Terheran - 13.59

 

Masahiro Tanaka - 9.40

Kenta Maeda - 10.40

Chihiro Kaneko - 10.78

 

Our pitching sucks, and Kershaw is awesome. Also, sign Tanaka please.

 

Your stat has no context. It does not measure runs prevented/allowed, pitcher effectiveness, or pitcher win contribution. You wont see that stat, or anything like it, because it doesn't mean anything. Perhaps casual fans will never gravitate to advanced statistics. That's perfectly fine, they will still use the traditional stats. Simpler advanced statistics is a terrible idea.

[GD]

FIP and xFIP is the should've, could've stat. It's not real. It's a team game after all.

 

Ban

[Captain Adama]

FIP and xFIP is the should've, could've stat. It's not real. It's a team game after all.

 

I could literally write an essay refuting this post, but most of the people here already know what's wrong with this.

[GD]

I could literally write an essay refuting this post, but most of the people here already know what's wrong with this.

 

You could write more than an essay. I wonder how many pages I could write. A lot lol.

[GD]

WeeeeeeRA, I like it.

[Save Dtieb]

I brought this on myself for doing a little thinking on my own but I would love to read that essay. Just because mine doesn't look like an ERA stat, doesn't mean, it doesn't mean anything at all. It puts hits, earned runs, and walks into a simple number. Steve Delabar has a higher number because he will walk a ton of guys, and get out of the jam with strikeouts. And it'll come back to bite him. Which it did recently.

[GD]

I brought this on myself for doing a little thinking on my own but I would love to read that essay. Just because mine doesn't look like an ERA stat, doesn't mean, it doesn't mean anything at all. It puts hits, earned runs, and walks into a simple number. Steve Delabar has a higher number because he will walk a ton of guys, and get out of the jam with strikeouts. And it'll come back to bite him. Which it did recently.

 

Okay, but if you wanted to look at walks and strikeouts, why the f*** are you not looking at xFIP? lol

[JSFIP]

Ban

 

Ban.

[JSFIP]

You could write more than an essay. I wonder how many pages I could write. A lot lol.

 

I'm sure you could. Too bad we won't be able to hear you preach the xFIP and FIP gospels. What a loss for all of us.

[JSFIP]

You just combined WHIP and ERA into one stat. So a hit is equal to a walk which is equal to a run? Don't think so.

 

Actually according to those on this board a walk is more important than a hit.

[GD]

Ban.

 

Ban. Do I win?

 

I'm sure you could. Too bad we won't be able to hear you preach the xFIP and FIP gospels. What a loss for all of us.

 

What f***ing crawled up your ass and died?

 

e: loving that FIP is in your name

[theblujay]

Hahahaha I can't help but laugh at you guys sometimes. You're so obsessed with SABR stats its crazy. Adding up Hits, ER and walks and finding a per inning number its a good measure of a pitcher. Everything doesn't have to given weights based on win probability added. He's not claiming he's discovered the next game-changing stat, he just showing a method to show the effectiveness of a pitcher. The results seem to make sense as well, the good pitchers at the top of the list.

 

"FIP and xFIP is the should've, could've stat. It's not real. It's a team game after all."

 

You guys rip on that, but it is a team game after all. There's more to the game than just lining up the FIP of every pitcher and deciding who wins the game that way. You guys would be happier with robots playing the game they perform to the exact results of their ZIPS predictions and future stats like FIP.

[Save Dtieb]

I could change it to

 

TB (Allowed) + BB + ER *9 / IP

 

The first stat just showed that a pitcher cannot control a 1B or a 2B through his pitches alone. A homerun counts towards a ER. So yeah, a pitcher can't control whether a guy hits a single or a triple through his pitches. A hit is a hit. And if it goes around to score, its a ER, which is factored in.

[GD]

I could change it to

 

TB (Allowed) + BB + ER *9 / IP

 

The first stat just showed that a pitcher cannot control a 1B or a 2B through his pitches alone. A homerun counts towards a ER. So yeah, a pitcher can't control whether a guy hits a single or a triple through his pitches. A hit is a hit. And if it goes around to score, its a ER, which is factored in.

 

A bit better. I think it's like OPS though. It's not bad for a quick look at a player but not good for, y'know, evaluations.

[JSFIP]

Ban. Do I win?

 

 

 

What f***ing crawled up your ass and died?

 

e: loving that FIP is in your name

 

The only thing that died is a discussion from multiple opinions on this board.

 

Ban.

[JSFIP]

Oh?

 

Yup.

[Save Dtieb]

There isn't an equivalent OPS stat for pitchers that's widely used. I still don't think TB should be used, cause the pitcher can't control that. A hit given up, is a hit given up. And yes, a walk is as bad as a hit.

[GD]

The only thing that died is a discussion from multiple opinions on this board.

 

Ban.

 

I assume your preferred stat is TWTW.

[JSFIP]

This is the guy who started the Arenciba troll thread

 

Don't waste your time, seriously

 

This is the guy who posted false info about the Bautista trade

 

Don't waste your time, seriously

[theblujay]

Oh my.

 

Whats wrong with what he said? As I wrote earlier it IS A TEAM GAME. I guess you think we should just line up the pitchers FIPs and whoever is lower wins the game. Like I said, robots...thats what you want, robots.

[GD]

Yup.

 

O rly

 

This is the guy who started the Arenciba troll thread

 

Don't waste your time, seriously

 

You can't just say this and not post a link.

 

e: this is gonna be some nice reading

[Save Dtieb]

A bit better. I think it's like OPS though. It's not bad for a quick look at a player but not good for, y'know, evaluations.

 

It shows that Jeff Locke actually sucks.

[JSFIP]

I assume your preferred stat is TWTW.

 

Not preferred, although I do believe it is important.

[theblujay]

This is the guy who posted false info about the Bautista trade

 

Don't waste your time, seriously

 

Are you referring to this:http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/1238-GDT(1-2-3)-Toronto-Blue-Jays-New-York-Yankees-Doubleheader-1-05-amp-7-05-PM-ET/page5

[JSFIP]

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/1038-I-ll-say-it-WALKS-ARE-OVERRATED

 

He's a f***ING CLOWN

 

Dude you posted that false info. You have 0 credibility. Go ahead and bring up that you broke the Boni news, good for you. Just get over yourself.