Royals trade for Emilio Bonifacio for a PTBNL or cash.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

All I can say is, it's about bloody f***ing time.

 

Yup.

 

Hard to dislike this.

[John_Havok]

I started applauding at work when this came down and people really looked at me funny except the one other blue jays/baseball fan who pretty much did the same thing

[vdartanian]

Finally. What a useless sack of s***. Hopefully he takes that loviste crap with him.

 

That's one piece of the Marlins trade we can close the book on; -0.4 fWAR for ~$2 million. Key to the whole deal!

 

http://gifs.houseofthebluebird.com/wp-content/uploads/KawasakiLoViste.gif

[o2cui2i]

Key to the whole deal!

 

wonder if AA wants some salt on his crow?

[ElNik2013]

Best trade AA has made in quite a while.

[KingKat]

First good trade since Thames for Delabar, I think.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Yup.

 

Hard to dislike this.

 

Easy to dislike the fact that it took our incompetent front office this long to dump that useless bum.

[Boxcar]

the f*** is this... I search boni's twitter and i find this....

 

 

kill it with fire

[KingKat]

Easy to dislike the fact that it took our incompetent front office this long to dump that useless bum.

 

Baby steps. That they did it at all is a small victory.

[Boxcar]

Mike Wilner ‏@Wilnerness590 11m

AA: We expected Bonifacio to be a better player, both offensively and defensively. #Bluejays #Jays

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lmfao, BASED ON WHAT?! Jesus f***ing Christ what a moron. How much analysis did he and his team do to determine that he would be a good player? Seriously.

[KingKat]

lmfao, BASED ON WHAT?! Jesus f***ing Christ what a moron. How much analysis did he and his team do to determine that he would be a good player? Seriously.

 

I can see the argument for better offense. He was bad but he was never this bad before. The garbage defense though was exactly as advertised. There was no reason to expect anything better except "faith in the player" or whatever the f*** passes for rationale in the Jays front office these days.

[Terminator]

lmfao, BASED ON WHAT?! Jesus f***ing Christ what a moron. How much analysis did he and his team do to determine that he would be a good player? Seriously.

 

Heck in the 3 seasons from '10-'12 he had a cumulative OBP of .345. With his baserunning that's not a bad offensive player. This year he has been s***. Of course we all expected him to be better.

[KingKat]

Heck in the 3 seasons from '10-'12 he had a cumulative OBP of .345. With his baserunning that's not a bad offensive player. This year he has been s***. Of course we all expected him to be better.

 

There's a 360 OBP in the middle there that's an obvious outlier but even if you remove that, his OBP is somewhere around 325. That's still way way better then what the Jays got out of him this year. No one would argue that AA should have anticipated a 258 OBP from Boni but I don't think anyone would argue that his previous track record was good enough to justify the ridiculous amount of rope he was given. Once Reyes returned from the DL, that should have been the last anyone saw of Boni.

[o2cui2i]

lmfao, BASED ON WHAT?! Jesus f***ing Christ what a moron. How much analysis did he and his team do to determine that he would be a good player? Seriously.

 

amazing when you add by subtracting. jays got exponentionally better by getting rid of this sack of s***. problem is that the front office doesn't know there ass from a hole in the ground and the hopes of them being able to evaluate talent is still bleak.

[KingKat]

the hopes of them being able to evaluate talent is still bleak.

 

Yeah the AA quote doesn't make him sound like someone who is going to learn from his mistakes. It sounds like someone who is likely to repeat it. It sounds like someone who still doesn't know where he went wrong. What I really would have liked to here from Anthopoulos is something like: "I think that what we learned is that it's very hard to get more out of your pitching while also ignoring defense. I think we need to take a more holistic approach to run prevention if we are to be successful with this staff."

[z3r0s]

amazing when you add by subtracting. jays got exponentionally better by getting rid of this sack of s***. problem is that the front office doesn't know there ass from a hole in the ground and the hopes of them being able to evaluate talent is still bleak.

 

Either Boni was a lot worse than I thought... or you are misunderstanding what 'exponentially' means.

[Boxcar]

There's a 360 OBP in the middle there that's an obvious outlier but even if you remove that, his OBP is somewhere around 325. That's still way way better then what the Jays got out of him this year. No one would argue that AA should have anticipated a 258 OBP from Boni but I don't think anyone would argue that his previous track record was good enough to justify the ridiculous amount of rope he was given. Once Reyes returned from the DL, that should have been the last anyone saw of Boni.

 

I mean yeah, he should've been better but he's still not a starter on any contending team, not even close. That was always obvious. He got two replacement level players to fill one of the most important spots on the diamond and then is mystified when it doesn't work out. Incredible that this replacement level brain is in charge of running a team.

[sachmo55]

There's a 360 OBP in the middle there that's an obvious outlier but even if you remove that, his OBP is somewhere around 325. That's still way way better then what the Jays got out of him this year. No one would argue that AA should have anticipated a 258 OBP from Boni but I don't think anyone would argue that his previous track record was good enough to justify the ridiculous amount of rope he was given. Once Reyes returned from the DL, that should have been the last anyone saw of Boni.

 

2011 was a major anomaly, it was the only year he produced a wOBA over .292

[o2cui2i]

Yeah the AA quote doesn't make him sound like someone who is going to learn from his mistakes. It sounds like someone who is likely to repeat it. It sounds like someone who still doesn't know where he went wrong. What I really would have liked to here from Anthopoulos is something like: "I think that what we learned is that it's very hard to get more out of your pitching while also ignoring defense. I think we need to take a more holistic approach to run prevention if we are to be successful with this staff."

 

not gonna happen, at least not without a buffet stop in the middle of it. The Greek has no idea, he either is not smart enough or doesn't have the balls to clean house and bring in people who can evaluate players. until that happens we are stuck with the fat greek's gut making the team's roster decision. sad.... so FKing sad.

[o2cui2i]

Either Boni was a lot worse than I thought... or you are misunderstanding what 'exponentially' means.

 

dude, seriously... he was horrible!!!! mendoza avg bat with the OBP of a blind man. he was the worst base runner/stealer I have seen other than Thames in a decade. he took horrible routes to the ball in the OF, had snooze button reactions and concrete hand on the infield. he has NO arm what so ever.... but he grins and pretends he can play.

 

the only reason his WAR isn't less than JPA is that he was kept off the field for a long time.

 

Bumfiasco was a pretender and some used car salesman sucked AA into buying a lemon for a ridiculous cost to the team.

[KSaw]

If he's learned anything, he non-tenders Arencibia and signs a free agent catcher. I'm not holding my breath.

[KSaw]

dude, seriously... he was horrible!!!! mendoza avg bat with the OBP of a blind man. he was the worst base runner/stealer I have seen other than Thames in a decade. he took horrible routes to the ball in the OF, had snooze button reactions and concrete hand on the infield. he has NO arm what so ever.... but he grins and pretends he can play.

 

the only reason his WAR isn't less than JPA is that he was kept off the field for a long time.

 

Bumfiasco was a pretender and some used car salesman sucked AA into buying a lemon for a ridiculous cost to the team.

 

During Spring Training I said that Bonifacio was so hopeless at second base that his only chance for success was in the outfield. I don't know who to blame for him playing so much second base. Izturis for not hitting until June, Lawrie for getting injured in March, AA for not calling up Negrych while he was on fire to ride the hot streak while it lasted, or Gibby.

[o2cui2i]

During Spring Training I said that Bonifacio was so hopeless at second base that his only chance for success was in the outfield. I don't know who to blame for him playing so much second base. Izturis for not hitting until June, Lawrie for getting injured in March, AA for not calling up Negrych while he was on fire to ride the hot streak while it lasted, or Gibby.

 

AA for trading for Bumfiasco. stop that mistake and none of the other can happen. trace it back to the beginning to see where the blame lies.

[z3r0s]

dude, seriously... he was horrible!!!! mendoza avg bat with the OBP of a blind man. he was the worst base runner/stealer I have seen other than Thames in a decade. he took horrible routes to the ball in the OF, had snooze button reactions and concrete hand on the infield. he has NO arm what so ever.... but he grins and pretends he can play.

 

the only reason his WAR isn't less than JPA is that he was kept off the field for a long time.

 

Bumfiasco was a pretender and some used car salesman sucked AA into buying a lemon for a ridiculous cost to the team.

 

I don't deny that he was horrible. Just commenting on the use of the word 'exponentially' which doesn't really apply here.

[Arkadium]

Izturis has the worst season of any player since Adam Dunn's -3.0 WAR in 2011.

 

AA had to him!

[KingKat]

Izturis just seems like a humble, likeable guy.

 

It's weird that he's struggling so much though. He's always been a good contributor.

 

Everything is trending downwards for the second year in a row. He's not ancient but 32 isn't young either especially for a middle infielder. I have to admit I defended this signing and was practically pleading for him to start over Bonifacio but a guy his age who follows up career lows with even lower career lows probably doesn't have a whole lot left in the tank. Maybe he isn't much better than Bonifacio even though a lot of us have been telling ourselves he is. The fact that Bonifacio was really hyped and is the kind of player who attracts attention anyways has kept scrutiny away from Izturis but he looks an awful lot like another sunk cost (and a costlier one to boot). The defense isn't good enough to carry him if he's going to be an offensive sinkhole. I guess now we're left to wonder how long it will take for AA to realize what this board is realizing. The track record suggest it will take awhile, probably another season.

[Slot Machine]

How much of Izturis' poor fielding metrics is due to him playing so much 3rd?

[KingKat]

How much of Izturis' poor fielding metrics is due to him playing so much 3rd?

 

Really hard to say, I don't know of a place that parses out overall defensive value that way. He was brutal at 3B at first but he got better as the season got along so I'm not sure that it was such a huge factor. He also had some truly terrible SS play out there too but I don't know if it was enough playing time to have a significant impact. I think it's just varying levels of bad all over the infield with him and his bat is so bad now that I can't see how he could possibly provide vallue above replacement going forward even if he only plays 2B.

[Terminator]

You know what's funny is that Bonafacio at 2B this year is rated at 0.0 by UZR and +6 by DRS. I never would have thought that.

 

His play in CF and RF is what has dragged his defensive metrics down.

[Angrioter]

Of his -17.3 defensive runs, 9.5 are from 2B, 4.9 from 3B, and 2.9 from SS.

 

Bonifacio isn't so bad but He isn't a piece that we will miss. Bonifacio is replaceable by someone of minimum salary (+3M surplus)