Davidi: Payroll will be at least $140 M next year

[BarrysSyringe]

Averaged 190IP over the last 4 seasons and this one isn't done yet. He's been up and down this season but he's been better as of late. Still has performed as a decent back-end option. What is the $12M going to get you that is a better option than RA Dickey? JJ?

I would rather see it go towards a free agent pitcher (Kuroda or Halladay)

[DuckDuckGose]

I would rather see it go towards a free agent pitcher (Kuroda or Halladay)

 

Buehrle would be the guy I look to shed then. More $.

[Angrioter]

Trade Bautista for Taveras and Rosenthal...........Trade EE for Profar and Holland.....Sign Choo and McCaan.......this is fun in fantasy land.

 

Double or mutual orgasm, That only happen faking.

Wake up bro, the whore stole your money!!

[BarrysSyringe]

Buehrle would be the guy I look to shed then. More $.

I think he would be alot harder to trade.

[DuckDuckGose]

Uhmmm....that's why I said it's fun bro?!

 

Ohh I thought that was sarcasm!

 

I'd want want Wong + Rosenthal/Martinez + Taveras in that Bau deal.

 

I'd try and add Ogando or Feliz in to that Edwin deal. I'd take Holland + Profar for Bau but, I;d want more for Eddy. Just feels a bit light IMO.

 

Choo + McCann, WS

[DuckDuckGose]

Definitely would be. I think if you ate around $5M you could get the same type of package as you would for Dickey though. Teams love his intangibles and defence.

[BarrysSyringe]

Definitely would be. I think if you ate around $5M you could get the same type of package as you would for Dickey though. Teams love his intangibles and defence.

I would rather not eat some of buehrles salary because i think him and dickey will put up simaler numbers

[DuckDuckGose]

I would rather not eat some of buehrles salary because i think him and dickey will put up simaler numbers

 

Buehrle's contract;

• 12:$6M, 13:$11M, 14:$18M, 15:$19M
  

Dickey's contract;

 

• 14:$12M, 15:$12M, 16:$12M club option ($1M buyout)
  

IMO Dickey performs like Buehrle if he has another down year, definitely probably they finish 2014 with a similar ERA/FIP. However, if I think two players are similar I keep the better contract and move the more expensive asset (I'm also still not entirely convinced Buehrle even wants to be in TO).

[BarrysSyringe]

Buehrle's contract;

• 12:$6M, 13:$11M, 14:$18M, 15:$19M
  

Dickey's contract;

 

• 14:$12M, 15:$12M, 16:$12M club option ($1M buyout)
  

IMO Dickey performs like Buehrle if he has another down year, definitely probably they finish 2014 with a similar ERA/FIP. However, if I think two players are similar I keep the better contract and move the more expensive asset (I'm also still not entirely convinced Buehrle even wants to be in TO).

That could be the case but since buehrles bad start he has been pretty good. Dickey has shown that he cant pitch at the dome

[GeorgiaPeach]

Criag isn't the big deal. Our little Guru FatCow traded Craig for Yunel Escobar.

 

Craig for Yunel and Cain for Melky?

 

If you're talking Fantasy trades, some of the offers you were sending out 2 years back were out of this world f***ed up.

[DuckDuckGose]

That could be the case but since buehrles bad start he has been pretty good. Dickey has shown that he cant pitch at the dome

 

I don't know if I buy that, it's a small sample. He's K'd more and walked the same amount of batters at the RC, his HR rate in unsustainably high at home and he's had some good games at home. I'm willing to chalk this up to an adjustment period for now and re-evaluate at the end of the year.

[BarrysSyringe]

I don't know if I buy that, it's a small sample. He's K'd more and walked the same amount of batters at the RC, his HR rate in unsustainably high at home and he's had some good games at home. I'm willing to chalk this up to an adjustment period for now and re-evaluate at the end of the year.

The years almost over, he would have to pitch like cy young to turn this around

[DuckDuckGose]

The years almost over, he would have to pitch like cy young to turn this around

 

Mid 4 ERA, decent K rates that have been better of late, and still eating innings. Things haven't been good for RA and the season isn't salvageable but, a dominant Aug/Sept would bode well for next season.

[Abomination]

Just look at some of the pieces the FO has deemed unworthy of a roster spot here;

- Jose Molina signed for dirt cheap with TB, and has provided them with 3-5 wins per year while we've been stuck with a replacement-level JPA.

 

Both players have provided 0 fWAR this year with negative defense (ignoring pitch framing). JPA actually provided more fWAR last year. Now if you argue pitch framing, you can't ignore JPA being apparently above average this year as well. Do I want JPA to remain our catcher? No. Do I want Molina as our catcher? No.

 

- Kelly Johnson signed for 1/2.45 with TB and has given them 2 WAR so far. We've received -2.5 WAR from the position.

- Yunel Escobar was a throw-in to the Miami deal and has given TB 2.8 WAR for $5 million, and he's locked up for two more years for the same price. We move assets for a $100 million replacement who has contributed less than half the wins Yunel has.

 

KJ was terrible for us in 2012, passable for Arizona in 2011, and terrible for the Braves in 2009. He bounced back, good for him. If he was still here and struggling people would be crying over why he was brought back and would have had a case. As for Reyes, he's provided 1/2 the WAR in 1/2 the games while playing on a bad leg which is clearly hurting his defense and base running. Regardless we all know that him being moved had other reasons behind it, and AA was probably ordered to do so.

[ace3113]

I think we could trade Romero for a change of scenery guy like Asdrubal Cabrera. He's owed 10mm in 2014 (his walk year), and is coming off a bad season. He could be an option at second base perhaps. Send them Izturis to even out the salary (Romero is owed 7.5mm in 2014).

 

Or if Anaheim is desperate enough for pitching (which they might be), maybe we can add a prospect and see if we can get Kendrick for Romero, who is from Cali.

 

Other option is to dump him on the Dodgers. More local, have lots of money to waste, and might need a pitcher if Nolasco walks in free agency. Who knows, they might actually give us something usefull.

 

Our main target this off season should be Matt Garza. No draft pick compensation, he's pitched in the AL East, he's at least a #2 or 3 starter, and he's only 30. If we can get him for close to what the Tigers got Anibal for that would be a fair deal. Any money we can save up should go towards him.

 

My other more costly target (prospect-wise) would be Jonathan Lucroy from the Brewers. Brewers are in serious rebuild mode, and want prospects. Lucroy is only 27, one of the better all-around catchers in baseball (walks, hits for power, plays defense, receives well).

 

Good for at least 3 WAR per year.

 

(2013) .282/.333/.482 with 17hr 64rbi 18(2b) 4(3b) 28bb 46so

 

He's also signed to a sweet heart deal: 14:$2M, 15:$3M, 16:$4M, 17:$5.25M club option ($0.25M buyout)

 

If we want to improve our pitching, it starts with improving our catcher IMO. Here's a fangraphs article discussing Lucroy's defense/receiving (and he can hit on top of it.)

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jonathan-lucroy-on-the-art-of-receiving/

[digiblader]

However, don't be surprised if Kendrick is dealt--the Angels have a cheap option in Grant Green and need to clear payroll for Trout and Trumbo's HUGE arb raises coming up. Remember, the Angels are desperate for young, controllable pitching, as their farm is nothing but AAAA vets and busted prospects, and they need to add help on the MLB staff, as their staff projects as:

 

Weaver

Wilson

Richards

 

and not much else--Vargas is a free agent and expected to get a raise, Blanton is a DFA candidate, Jerome Williams stinks. They're so thin, the Angels wish they had Nolin, Stroman or Sanchez on their farm.

[digiblader]

Update on Kendrick:

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/los-angeles-dodgers-angels-trade-second-baseman-howie-kendrick-081913

 

Dodgers almost traded for Kendrick--and will likely try again in the winter. Looks like Cano may stay in NY..

[ace3113]

I think you're way, way off the mark with names like Carbrera and Kendrick for Romero. Especially Kendrick.

 

Cabrera is coming off a terrible terrible year. They can either trade him for very little (something I would jump all over if I was the Jays as I think he could bounce back), or try to trade him for a guy who's value is low but who could likewise bounce back. If the worst case is we trade something minimal for Cabrera, I can live with that too.

 

As for Kendrick, that's obviously a wishful thinking scenario. It would depend on the prospect you're attaching to Romero I suppose. A team may think they can fix Romero's problems. The stuff and the track record are there, and the Angels really are desperate for pitching.

[ace3113]

Cabrera has been bad, yes, but at 1/10 next year he'll still have value. Romero is still owed $15.6 million, will be 29 in November, and is getting lit up in AAA. I have far too much respect for Cleveland's management than to think they see Romero as an even remotely desirable asset.

 

I still think Romero would be a good candidate for a challenge trade involving a similarly under-performing player. If not Cabrera, I'm sure there's a "change of scenery" trade to be made out there.

[GeorgiaPeach]

That's a lot for a player of choo's ability

 

......and age

[ace3113]

The only name I can really think of is Rickie Weeks. He's owed 11M in 2014, and has an 11.5M vesting option for 2015, and has put up just 0.8 WAR over 1100 PA the last two years. They might like the cost certainty of Romero's deal along with the potential savings. I guess we'd just use him on the bench and make sure he doesn't get the 600 PA that makes his option vest.

 

That's an interesting idea. Let me look into him a bit. To even up the average salary, maybe throw Izturis in?

[ace3113]

Looked at a couple other names/contracts we might able to trade Ricky for.

 

Ricky Romero, LHP (29): 14:$7.5M, 15:$7.5M, 16:$13.1M club option ($0.6M buyout)

 

Dan Uggla, 2B (33): 14:$13M, 15:$13M

Nick Swisher, 1B/LF (32): 14:$15M, 15:$15M, 16:$15M, 17:$14M vesting option

Angel Pagan, OF (32): 14:$9M, 15:$9M, 16:$10M

Adam Laroche, 1B (33): 14:$12M, 15:$15M mutual option ($2M buyout)

[Laika]

You realize those guys have value and Romero doesn't.

 

Disagree. Most of those guys have no value, but Ricky has even less than that right now.

 

If he gets traded it's probably for another negative asset. Maybe Adam Dunn (if he still even likes baseball), or Rickie Weeks (Toronto has to throw in a prospect).

[ace3113]

You realize those guys have value.

 

Really? lol

 

Uggla: 13mm per year .186/.107/.389

Swisher: 15mm per year .242/.340/.398

Pagan: 9mm per year .262/.314/.374

Laroche 13.5mm per year .235/.319/.421

 

Romero is 3-4 years younger and is making 4mm less on average.

[Abomination]

Honestly I think most bad contracts we could exchange would be far worse for us than just eating Rickey's.

 

Pagan, possibly Ludwick or Maybin. McCarthy? Most of the other possibilities (like Mike Adams or Broxton) are relievers, and we really can't use more of them. May as well keep Rickey for depth of that was the case. Laroche or Uggla would probably give us a worse situation than we have now.

[ace3113]

Honestly I think most bad contracts we could exchange would be far worse for us than just eating Rickey's.

Pagan, possibly Ludwick or Maybin. McCarthy? Most of the other possibilities (like Mike Adams or Broxton) are relievers, and we really can't use more of them. May as well keep Rickey for depth of that was the case. Laroche or Uggla would probably give us a worse situation than we have now.

 

I agree.

 

I wouldn't mind Swisher though. We'd have to add a little to get him I would think, but I've always liked his numbers against the East and he's an on base guy which we don't have a lot of.

[Laika]

Man, Ricky's plateau was an interesting thing though.

 

- Minor league shitbag bust for several years.

- Makes the bigs and is instantly an above average major league starter for three full seasons.

- In one offseason, loses it all and is back to being a minor league shitbag.

 

There has never been an in between for the guy. It's like he sold his soul to the devil for a taste of success or something, but his chubby MexiMerican soul was only worth 3 seasons.

[Nox]

Man, Ricky's plateau was an interesting thing though.

 

- Minor league shitbag bust for several years.

- Makes the bigs and is instantly an above average major league starter for three full seasons.

- In one offseason, loses it all and is back to being a minor league shitbag.

 

There has never been an in between for the guy. It's like he sold his soul to the devil for a taste of success or something.

 

Yah, he's a really strange case. Both the rise and fall were quite unexpected.

[GD]

Looked at a couple other names/contracts we might able to trade Ricky for.

 

I was thinking to the Angels + cash for Garrett Richards.