Trade Deadline Thread

[GeorgiaPeach]

I can't believe the Orioles gave up Hoes. Hes going to be a good player in Houston for a long time. Hes so underrated as a prospect. Hes fantastic. Great name too.

 

I wonder why he wasn't giving it 100% in the minors.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Nothing wrong with that.. you reward your loyal players by letting them retire with your team

 

And sacrifice winning, nice trade off.

[Howard Roark]

I'd be willing to put big money on it there's more fans who can carry an intelligent conversation about baseball in Chicago than all of Canada.

 

And if you're basing market on Population does that mean the Coyotes are a bigger NHL market than the Habs?

 

Hah, I called it. I knew that would be your response.

 

Your example is apples and oranges though, because Toronto has a larger proportion of Jays fans compared to NY/LA in MLB than Phoenix does Coyotes fans compared to MTL in the NHL.

 

Phoenix CMA is 4.2 mil, Montereal CMA 3.8 mil as of 2010.

 

edit: obviously I'm just talking out of my ass when I deign to know the proportion of GTA residents that are Jays fans, and then KNOWLEDGEABLE Jays fan as that, just as you are when you make statements about more knowledgeable fans in other cities outnumbering their counterparts in the GTA. My point was that we ARE the 3rd largest metro area in the MLB, and thus, the 3rd largest market.

Edited August 1, 2013 by Howard Roark

[Howard Roark]

Nothing wrong with that.. you reward your loyal players by letting them retire with your team

 

Who says he's loyal? Because he signed an extension with us?

 

He signed that because he was unwilling to take the risk of dropping off and thus leaving money on the table due to his poor performance, we signed him to that because we were unwilling to take the risk of him continuing to kill it and thus have to either pay him even more, or lose him.

 

Cold, calculating reptilian decision making from both sides, as it should be in any business arrangement. This was no different.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Hah, I called it. I knew that would be your response.

 

Your example is apples and oranges though, because Toronto has a larger proportion of Jays fans compared to NY/LA in MLB than Phoenix does Coyotes fans compared to MTL in the NHL.

 

Phoenix CMA is 4.2 mil, Montereal CMA 3.8 mil as of 2010.

 

edit: obviously I'm just talking out of my ass when I deign to know the proportion of GTA residents that are Jays fans, and then KNOWLEDGEABLE Jays fan as that, just as you are when you make statements about more knowledgeable fans in other cities outnumbering their counterparts in the GTA. My point was that we ARE the 3rd largest metro area in the MLB, and thus, the 3rd largest market.

 

I said Canada...not GTA. Chicago would have more intelligent baseball fans than all of Canada. I don't count someone that puts a hat on, or crawls out from a cave after ceasing to follow the team/sport in 94/95.

[ElNik2013]

I'm glad AA didn't get bent so I'm happy they did nothing. On the other hand, there can still be trades in August and in the offseason.

[Howard Roark]

I said Canada...not GTA. Chicago would have more intelligent baseball fans than all of Canada. I don't count someone that puts a hat on, or crawls out from a cave after ceasing to follow the team/sport in 94/95.

 

Look man, I'm talking about largest market. Third-largest metro population to have an MLB franchise equals the third-largest MLB market. Simple.

 

The fraction of that market that consider themselves to be knowledgeable is irrelevant to this particular point. They pay the same money for tickets/merchandise as the noobiest casual. MLB wants your money, they couldn't give two f***s about how much you know so long as you get your ass down to the ballpark, stuff your face with s***, and buy lots of apparel. Sad, but true.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Look man, I'm talking about largest market. Third-largest metro population to have an MLB franchise equals the third-largest MLB market. Simple.

 

The fraction of that market that consider themselves to be knowledgeable is irrelevant to this particular point. They pay the same money for tickets/merchandise as the noobiest casual. MLB wants your money, they couldn't give two f***s about how much you know so long as you get your ass down to the ballpark, stuff your face with s***, and buy lots of apparel. Sad, but true.

 

I understand the potential market is one of the largest. But I factor fandom into market size when I look at teams in each sport.

[Howard Roark]

I understand the potential market is one of the largest. But I factor fandom into market size when I look at teams in each sport.

 

Well then that's just wrong.

[TheHurl]

I know it will be asked in the next few days so here is a review of the revocable waivers and August trading. I'd say that at least 10 of the Jays will be placed on Waivers.

 

 

Teams have to pass players through revocable waivers to trade them after the July 31st deadline.

Players acquired after August 31st can't play in the postseason.

Teams will often put most of their players on waivers to determine interest, since they don't have to give up every player who's claimed.

Unclaimed players can be traded to any club in August (or even September).

Teams don't have to trade players who are claimed. They can hand the player and his salary over for nothing.

If a team places a player on waivers after he is claimed, but not traded, the team loses the right to pull its player back. In other words, the waivers are revocable at first, but not revocable afterwards.

Clubs have two days (48.5 hours) to deal claimed players, but they can only negotiate a trade with one team. Teams have two days to complete a deal regardless of which day of the week the claim takes place on.

If only one team claims a player, he can only be dealt to that team.

If more than one team claims a player, he can only be traded to the claiming team in his league with the worst record.

If a player's only claimed by teams in the other league, he can only be dealt to the claiming team with the worst record.

Teams cannot pass players on the disabled list through waivers.

[Howard Roark]

Lost respect at reptilian.. but anyhow I was generalizing about any superstar retiring with the team he had his success with. We don't even know if Bautista wants to retire here

 

You do realize that the bottom part of our brain, the primitive structure that controls simple tasks such as breathing/instinctual reactions is referred to as the reptilian brain because it's similar in structure/performance to the brains of reptilians such as crocodiles, right?

 

Jeez............I suppose your mind instantly went to the Alpha Draconis star system, right?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Well then that's just wrong.

 

Is it?

 

When I'm at work I don't consider the 300 or so employees as a baseball market. There's maybe 10-15 Jays/baseball fans. Then there's the dozens who come out of the wood work and inquire about the Jays when the media buzzed them in the media. And then when the media buzzes them negatively those same people ride the s*** out of me about how baseball sucks, the Jays suck....blah, blah, blah.

 

Sorry, but fringe fans IMO aren't a market.

[Howard Roark]

Is it?

 

When I'm at work I don't consider the 300 or so employees as a baseball market. There's maybe 10-15 Jays/baseball fans. Then there's the dozens who come out of the wood work and inquire about the Jays when the media buzzed them in the media. And then when the media buzzes them negatively those same people ride the s*** out of me about how baseball sucks, the Jays suck....blah, blah, blah.

 

Sorry, but fringe fans IMO aren't a market.

 

Market refers to your POSSIBLE pool of fans. Not just the ones who currently give a s***. Any business that only markets to people who ALREADY patronize their establishment is looking to die a quick death, which is precisely why none of them DO market themselves in such a fashion. The fact that they run TV/print/radio ads and sponsor events throughout the GTA is proof of this strategy. They know the baseball nerds are going to be there anyway, they want to attract new fans too, because they're a business and the first rule of business is to maximize your revenue potential. You do this by attempting to attract as many patrons within your market as possible.

 

Come on man, you KNOW this, stop being stubborn.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Market refers to your POSSIBLE pool of fans. Not just the ones who currently give a s***. Any business that only markets to people who ALREADY patronize their establishment is looking to die a quick death, which is precisely why none of them DO market themselves in such a fashion. The fact that they run TV/print/radio ads and sponsor events throughout the GTA is proof of this strategy. They know the baseball nerds are going to be there anyway, they want to attract new fans too, because they're a business and the first rule of business is to maximize your revenue potential. You do this by attempting to attract as many patrons within your market as possible.

 

Come on man, you KNOW this, stop being stubborn.

 

I understand what you're saying and agree the Jays & MLB would die a slow death if they didn't try to attract new fans.

 

I just don't care too much for fringe fans, their fleeting interest in the game and their green opinions, which is why I exclude them from anything of importance.

[Howard Roark]

I understand what you're saying and agree the Jays & MLB would die a slow death if they didn't try to attract new fans.

 

I just don't care too much for fringe fans, their fleeting interest in the game and their green opinions, which is why I exclude them from anything of importance.

 

Ok, gotcha. I figured that was where you were coming from, fair enough.

[Caper]

I know it will be asked in the next few days so here is a review of the revocable waivers and August trading. I'd say that at least 10 of the Jays will be placed on Waivers.

 

 

Teams have to pass players through revocable waivers to trade them after the July 31st deadline.

Players acquired after August 31st can't play in the postseason.

Teams will often put most of their players on waivers to determine interest, since they don't have to give up every player who's claimed.

Unclaimed players can be traded to any club in August (or even September).

Teams don't have to trade players who are claimed. They can hand the player and his salary over for nothing.

If a team places a player on waivers after he is claimed, but not traded, the team loses the right to pull its player back. In other words, the waivers are revocable at first, but not revocable afterwards.

Clubs have two days (48.5 hours) to deal claimed players, but they can only negotiate a trade with one team. Teams have two days to complete a deal regardless of which day of the week the claim takes place on.

If only one team claims a player, he can only be dealt to that team.

If more than one team claims a player, he can only be traded to the claiming team in his league with the worst record.

If a player's only claimed by teams in the other league, he can only be dealt to the claiming team with the worst record.

Teams cannot pass players on the disabled list through waivers.

 

 

Haha.. I was just about to ask too.... So what you are saying is that Oliver can no longer play in the playoffs?

[KingKat]

The Jays whiffed on a few prospects of interest in the deadline:

 

Rosell Herrera is a 10 year old shortstop with a 1000 OPS in A ball. I scouted him pretty heavily for my fantasy draft and finally soured on him because he's repeating a level and had only half of that OPS the first time around. Now that the Cardinals have acquired him, I'm officially kicking myself for not drafting him. A young shortstop who is actually hitting? Who wouldn't want to add a guy like that to your system? The Cards are adding him and they tend to know what they are doing.

 

Kyle Smith is a 20 year old at A+ with a career K/9 of 9.9 and a 3.88 K/BB. He's gone from dominant to merely good as he's climbed the ranks but he's a terrific return when you consider the Astros only gave up Justin Maxwell to get him. He's another guy I looked at long and hard for the fantasy draft but I made the mistake of letting him get to Gibbers.

 

Maybe the Jays weren't interested in young prospects because they didn't fit their timeline but to let that deter you from getting a solid return for impending free agents and edge of the roster guys would be spectacularly short-sighted and I think it's very generous towards the Jays to think that these kind of deals weren't also available to them.

[DustyBaker]

The Jays whiffed on a few prospects of interest in the deadline:

 

Rosell Herrera is a 10 year old shortstop with a 1000 OPS in A ball. I scouted him pretty heavily for my fantasy draft and finally soured on him because he's repeating a level and had only half of that OPS the first time around. Now that the Cardinals have acquired him, I'm officially kicking myself for not drafting him. A young shortstop who is actually hitting? Who wouldn't want to add a guy like that to your system? The Cards are adding him and they tend to know what they are doing.

 

Kyle Smith is a 20 year old at A+ with a career K/9 of 9.9 and a 3.88 K/BB. He's gone from dominant to merely good as he's climbed the ranks but he's a terrific return when you consider the Astros only gave up Justin Maxwell to get him. He's another guy I looked at long and hard for the fantasy draft but I made the mistake of letting him get to Gibbers.

 

Maybe the Jays weren't interested in young prospects because they didn't fit their timeline but to let that deter you from getting a solid return for impending free agents and edge of the roster guys would be spectacularly short-sighted and I think it's very generous towards the Jays to think that these kind of deals weren't also available to them.

 

I'm fine with any 10 year old shortstop in A ball.

[Arkadium]

I'm fine with any 10 year old shortstop in A ball.

 

He's 20... what drugs are you on

[KingKat]

I'm fine with any 10 year old shortstop in A ball.

 

Damn. I could have sworn I wrote 19. Could you imagine a 10 year old in A ball? It would be like a real life Disney movie.

[admin]

Well which is it, 10 or 19?!

[KingKat]

He's 20... what drugs are you on

 

I must have written 19 and started to correct that to 20. That would explain why I remembered writting 19...

 

Anyways ignoring how addled my brain is, the point stands. He's young, he's a SS and he's hitting. Can you really ask for more in exchange for your left-handed reliever?

[Arkadium]

I must have written 19 and started to correct that to 20. That would explain why I remembered writting 19...

 

Anyways ignoring how addled my brain is, the point stands. He's young, he's a SS and he's hitting. Can you really ask for more in exchange for your left-handed reliever?

 

For a split second it was an awesome thought..... 10 year old super prodigy in A ball.... WAT

[imsorry4beatinU]

For a split second it was an awesome thought..... 10 year old super prodigy in A ball.... WAT

 

you should do a poll...

[DuckDuckGose]

Rosell Herrera is a 10 year old shortstop with a 1000 OPS in A ball. I scouted him pretty heavily for my fantasy draft and finally soured on him because he's repeating a level and had only half of that OPS the first time around. Now that the Cardinals have acquired him, I'm officially kicking myself for not drafting him. A young shortstop who is actually hitting? Who wouldn't want to add a guy like that to your system? The Cards are adding him and they tend to know what they are doing.

 

Even as a non-prodigy he's still an intriguing target. Crazy BABIP and I'd want to see that power repeated over multiple levels but, he still looks to have multiple tools. With Tulo still being Tulo they may even be open to moving him.

[Angrioter]

The Jays whiffed on a few prospects of interest in the deadline:

 

Rosell Herrera is a 10 year old shortstop with a 1000 OPS in A ball. I scouted him pretty heavily for my fantasy draft and finally soured on him because he's repeating a level and had only half of that OPS the first time around. Now that the Cardinals have acquired him, I'm officially kicking myself for not drafting him. A young shortstop who is actually hitting? Who wouldn't want to add a guy like that to your system? The Cards are adding him and they tend to know what they are doing.

 

Kyle Smith is a 20 year old at A+ with a career K/9 of 9.9 and a 3.88 K/BB. He's gone from dominant to merely good as he's climbed the ranks but he's a terrific return when you consider the Astros only gave up Justin Maxwell to get him. He's another guy I looked at long and hard for the fantasy draft but I made the mistake of letting him get to Gibbers.

 

Maybe the Jays weren't interested in young prospects because they didn't fit their timeline but to let that deter you from getting a solid return for impending free agents and edge of the roster guys would be spectacularly short-sighted and I think it's very generous towards the Jays to think that these kind of deals weren't also available to them.

 

 

Rosell Herrera will be the first pick in the 2013 Dominican winter baseball.

Bonifacio, Mazara, Ronald Guzman, De Paula.

[KingKat]

Even as a non-prodigy he's still an intriguing target. Crazy BABIP and I'd want to see that power repeated over multiple levels but, he still looks to have multiple tools. With Tulo still being Tulo they may even be open to moving him.

 

Holly crap do I have an addled brain. Juan Herrera is the prospect the Cards acquired in the Rzep trade. He's also a 20 year old infielder but he's terrible and unlike Rosell, he was actually in the Cleveland system.

[DuckDuckGose]

Holly crap do I have an addled brain. Juan Herrera is the prospect the Cards acquired in the Rzep trade. He's also a 20 year old infielder but he's terrible and unlike Rosell, he was actually in the Cleveland system.

 

I was confused as to how AA missed out! haha

 

Rosell is the type of player I;d love AA to add to the system though.

[Angrioter]

Hey Angelo, tell me what you think of Elier Hernandez, Renato Nunez and Amaurys Minier, I drafted them in a Dynasty League, I want to hear your opinion on them?

 

Elier Hernandez 3rd best signing bonus for a Dominican player (before 2011). Elier is a tall and strong guy who hitting the ball hard and run very well. According to scouts his bat speed is great.

I saw him in a BP and I like alot.

[DustyBaker]

Damn. I could have sworn I wrote 19. Could you imagine a 10 year old in A ball? It would be like a real life Disney movie.

 

Haha yeah, I was chuckling to myself for a while there with a thought of a 10 year old - with a 1000 OPS no less- in A ball. But to your actual point, yeah that would have been a great way to put our surplus of relievers to use.