Rangers have looked at Stanton, Bautista, Encarnacion

[Deadpool]

He makes routine plays out there and like you said, his arm makes up for some of the balls he can't get to. If you wanted to be precise, I'd say he were a slightly below average outfielder, all things considered. But he doesn't hurt the team by being out there everyday.

My point was just that he gets a lot of slack by some here, when it is unwarrented.

 

See, the difference between our opinions is that I said "below average" and you said "slightly below average"

 

He's no butcher out there, but he's not good by any stretch.

[TheEndIsNigh]

Bautista is not as good as Edwin? Highly debatable.

[Deadpool]

Bautista is not as good as Edwin? Highly debatable.

 

Not really anymore. At least where the bat is concerned.

[HERPDERP]

I really don't feel that Profar is enough. We need a 2nd premium prospect. Too bad Olt is gone.

 

I mean, look at a guy like Montero. That guy reached #3 in top prospect rankings. And he's terrible now!

 

The risk of this trade is betting it all on one player. I'd be more comfortable if we got a 2nd.

[KSaw]

This thread has gotten strange. Firstly, Lind is staying. That's a no brainer. Morneau is probably going to the Orioles this week and I'd bet if he does he stays. EE and Baitista are not on the block.

 

Top it all off, the FA pitching crop is weak and the Jays have Hutch and Drabek, along with Nolin and Stroman and McGowan (likely) stretching out in March.

 

This club will look at McCann and Ruiz and see if Brian Roberts is available as a value buy on a 1-2 year deal but that's about it.

 

* Beltran is already being linked to Toronto as a LF/DH. I don't see the fit but it's popular out there.

[GD]

Top it all off, the FA pitching crop is weak and the Jays have Hutch and Drabek, along with Nolin and Stroman and McGowan (likely) stretching out in March.

 

I'd like to see guys like Tommy Hanson, Scott Baker, or Gavin Floyd come in on maybe minor league deals, if that's not wishful thinking. I dunno how Baker or Floyd would get major league deals though.

[Nox]

* Beltran is already being linked to Toronto as a LF/DH. I don't see the fit but it's popular out there.

 

Beltran turned down significantly more money offered by Toronto to go to St. Louis. I'd say there's very little chance he'll ever play in a Jays uniform.

[Atothe]

Bautista's plus skill in the OF is his arm, which is deadly. He's got about average speed and takes well below average routes to the ball. He doesn't have the instincts that Cleatus has, and that is what makes one good and the other below average.

 

His arm makes up for some deficiency (much like Rajai's speed makes up for the fact that he takes terrible routes to the ball and throws at a barely-above-Damon level.) but he is still, as a whole, a below average defender in the OF.

 

As for trading him? Profar ++ and I'd be very, very seriously considering it.

 

In what world does Jose baustisa have above average speed and average range because I must be f***ing blind if those two were accurate and I've been watching an imposter for three years. Jose is a bad fielder and Melky is horrible

[Angrioter]

Rangers zero runs yesterday, zero runs today

 

Time to send JoeyBat to Texas

[imsorry4beatinU]

Rangers zero runs yesterday, zero runs today

 

Time to send JoeyBat to Texas

 

Let's do it! Let's break up team Dominican. Having too much is not a good recipe.

[Fearthedoc]

Just throwing this out there. One thing that probably gets overlooked in a lot of defensive metrics is the threat of a strong arm in the outfield. It would prevent a lot of runners from going 2nd to 3rd, or 3rd to home.

[GD]

Just throwing this out there. One thing that probably gets overlooked in a lot of defensive metrics is the threat of a strong arm in the outfield. It would prevent a lot of runners from going 2nd to 3rd, or 3rd to home.

 

Bautista's defense is rated quite well.

 

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[Cooler Heads Prevail]

This thread has gotten strange. Firstly, Lind is staying. That's a no brainer. Morneau is probably going to the Orioles this week and I'd bet if he does he stays. EE and Baitista are not on the block.

 

Top it all off, the FA pitching crop is weak and the Jays have Hutch and Drabek, along with Nolin and Stroman and McGowan (likely) stretching out in March.

 

This club will look at McCann and Ruiz and see if Brian Roberts is available as a value buy on a 1-2 year deal but that's about it.

 

* Beltran is already being linked to Toronto as a LF/DH. I don't see the fit but it's popular out there.

 

+1

 

Aren't all these trading threads getting strange ? A lot of thoroughly unrealistic ideas that underrate our veterans and overrrate any prospect that's getting rave reviews from someone. I was touting trade Lind earlier this year when they were still in contention, but that ships come and gone. Instead of giving anything including meaningful budget up for risky veteran starters ( eg Peavy, Johnson ), I'm thinking they should focus on the hitting holes and roll the dice on the huge cupboard of potential starters in their system. Only pitcher they really need is a genuine #1 ( low risk ) which would be worth even overpaying for, but if that guy isn't out there, don't settle for less. If they can get one moderately priced starter that is a durable #3-#5 then maybe that's a good insurance policy.

 

Stats are all good and well but in reality Redmond ( who is this guy anyways ? ) has been decent and Johnson has been terrible. Who knows what pitchers will step up next year, Hutch came out of nowhere. I keep thinking Cecil and McGowan could be big surprises next season if they come in trying out for starter.

 

I'd love to see one high impact bat join the team next year, and Johnson long gone.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Bautista's defense is rated quite well.

 

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Bautista is a great player, reliable 30 HR / 90 RBI guy who plays decent outfield. There simply aren't that many guys like him in

baseball. As much as Profar might turn into a star, its a MAYBE. If Bautista gives you 2-3 more years of this performance,

even if Profar played really well in 2 years he'll start commanding big money anyways.

 

Rasmus is starting to fulfill his promise. His contract status presents a problem next year. Good example of how "prospects"

aren't always as good for a team as it appears. This is why I say when you have a good return on your investment and he's signed

to a good contract, you don't dump that guy on a prospect who is batting .230 in limited time in the majors.

[Angrioter]

Bautista is a great player, reliable 30 HR / 90 RBI guy who plays decent outfield. There simply aren't that many guys like him in

baseball. As much as Profar might turn into a star, its a MAYBE. If Bautista gives you 2-3 more years of this performance,

even if Profar played really well in 2 years he'll start commanding big money anyways.

 

Rasmus is starting to fulfill his promise. His contract status presents a problem next year. Good example of how "prospects"

aren't always as good for a team as it appears. This is why I say when you have a good return on your investment and he's signed

to a good contract, you don't dump that guy on a prospect who is batting .230 in limited time in the majors.

 

To show you how stupid your argument is, "dump a guy on a prospect who is batting .230 in limited time in the majors."

 

Remember someone, I think his name was.... Mike Trout? His first season in the MLB, First 40 games he batted .220

 

or this ---------------------->

[Atothe]

Bautista is a great player, reliable 30 HR / 90 RBI guy who plays decent outfield. There simply aren't that many guys like him in

baseball. As much as Profar might turn into a star, its a MAYBE. If Bautista gives you 2-3 more years of this performance,

even if Profar played really well in 2 years he'll start commanding big money anyways.

 

Rasmus is starting to fulfill his promise. His contract status presents a problem next year. Good example of how "prospects"

aren't always as good for a team as it appears. This is why I say when you have a good return on your investment and he's signed

to a good contract, you don't dump that guy on a prospect who is batting .230 in limited time in the majors.

 

His ops the last three years

.995

1.056

.886

This year

.851 (doesn't count today's game)

 

I don't think this team as constructed will win anything so Jose's value will be wasted

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

To show you how stupid your argument is, "dump a guy on a prospect who is batting .230 in limited time in the majors."

 

Remember someone, I think his name was.... Mike Trout? His first season in the MLB, First 40 games he batted .220

 

Cherry picking the best rookie in the majors in years is kind of like taking the latter half of a sentence someone posts on here and putting it in quotes.

You know what, most of what you post suggests you aren't dealing with a full deck.

 

Your clown act isn't getting any better.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

And some other things, Trading Bautista for Profar is hardly a "dump"

 

You are getting a top prospect in baseball for a player who is declining, you really can't get much better than that. To judge Profar because he is "batting .230" (SSS) in his first season in the MLB as a 20 year old, is borderline retarded

 

Show me ONE real trade of an established all star hitter on a team friendly contract that got traded for a prospect.

 

And calling me "retarded" when I stated the facts on the young guy is ignorant. If anybody looks mentally challenged on here, its you with that goofy grin sitting behind a hamburger. Just calling them as I see them. You're trolling by any definition. its repetitive and tiresome, and to see you try to call me stupid on here is too funny.

[GD]

Show me ONE real trade of an established all star hitter on a team friendly contract that got traded for a prospect.

 

Jason Bay for Andy LaRoche

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

What f***ing clown act man? You are judging a player because he "has a .230 batting avg" IN A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE

 

Mike Trout was a top prospect in all of baseball, Profar is a top prospect in all of baseball

My point was to prove that you can't judge a player by his batting average in small sample size in his first MLB season, because Trout batted .220 in his first 40 games and would you f***ing LOOK WHERE HE IS NOW?

 

Buddy, the small sample size also reflects on the fact he is unproven. You spend a ridiculous amount of energy based on the premise that every prospect will fulfill their promise as forecasted by you. Eric Hinske of the Jays was rookie of the year one year, with solid power numbers. He did NOT become a star. He actually became a bench player on good teams. I could list many more top prospects that bombed over the years.

[GD]

Show me ONE real trade of an established all star hitter on a team friendly contract that got traded for a prospect.

 

Matt Holliday to the Oakland Athletics for Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Huston Street

 

This is fun

[GD]

Show me ONE real trade of an established all star hitter on a team friendly contract that got traded for a prospect.

 

Curtis Granderson, with whom I share a birthday, involving like 20 all stars (Jackson, Scherzer, Kennedy, jesus)

 

Hell, the Roberto Alomar trade has a case

 

Ken Griffey, Jr to the Reds

 

There's not really a lack of precedent, I don't think.

[Deadpool]

Show me ONE real trade of an established all star hitter on a team friendly contract that got traded for a prospect.

 

On December 5, 1990, Alomar and Joe Carter were traded to the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for Fred McGriff and Tony Fernández.

[GD]

It's ridiculous how he calls me a troll when I disagree with his statement

"You don't dump Jose Bautista on a prospect who is batting .230 in limited major league time"

 

Like.... what?

 

He even specifies, limited. He is the reason the SSS song was created.

 

He's 20, an elite defender, has a .300 wOBA, is the #1 prospect in baseball. If you turn that trade down... man.

 

On December 5, 1990, Alomar and Joe Carter were traded to the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for Fred McGriff and Tony Fernández.

 

Ahem, you got ninja'd, good sir.

[Orgfiller]

On December 5, 1990, Alomar and Joe Carter were traded to the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for Fred McGriff and Tony Fernández.

 

Almost every single Marlins' trades over the past 10 years involves trading star players in exchange for prospects. FFS Jose Reyes and others for Marisnick, Nicolino, Henderson Alvarez and Hechevarria.

[GD]

Can anyone confirm if Eric Hinske was a top prospect? 17th round pick when I was one year old, and I can't find anything on it. Thanks

 

Best I can do.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/mlb/27501/2/

84. Eric Hinske - 3B Blue Jays - Age 24 - Preseason NR - Midseason NR - ETA: Now

.282, 25 HR, 79 RBI, 113/54 K/BB, 20 SB in 436 AB for Triple-A Sacramento

.300, 8 HR, 28 RBI, 37/22 K/BB, 2 SB in 120 AB for Phoenix of the AFL

 

Hinske isn't much with the glove, but his bat continues to improve. He was very good in Triple-A last season and even better in the Arizona Fall League. With Alex Gonzalez traded, the Jays have practically handed him the third base job. Expect solid all-around numbers and perhaps even a Rookie of the Year Award.

[Deadpool]

Ahem, you got ninja'd, good sir.

 

Like... a page worth of posts showed up between the time I read that post and the time I hit "Post Quick Reply". I may have been abducted by aliens and lost time...

[Orgfiller]

Best I can do.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/mlb/27501/2/

 

Meh, though 84 isn't bad I think top prospect is more top 15. And "Expect solid all-around numbers and perhaps even a Rookie of the Year Award." WTF, psychic much?

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

On December 5, 1990, Alomar and Joe Carter were traded to the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for Fred McGriff and Tony Fernández.

 

All four players were already established stars.

[GD]

Meh, though 84 isn't bad I think top prospect is more top 15. And "Expect solid all-around numbers and perhaps even a Rookie of the Year Award." WTF, psychic much?

 

That kinda scared me.

 

So he was a pretty decent prospect, not a TOP prospect, but a good one.

 

All four players were already established stars.

 

Or, just ignore every other example listed. Yeah, that works too bro.

 

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