[AL East Trade]: O's acquire K-Rod

[fatcowxlive]

 

O's 4th best prospect...... lol @ AA

[fatcowxlive]

K-Rod has had a career revival this year. Who did they give up though?

 

"#Orioles acquire RHP Francisco Rodriguez from #Brewers in exchange for Minor League INF Nick Delmonico."

 

O's 4th best prospect according to BA

[Angrioter]

"#Orioles acquire RHP Francisco Rodriguez from #Brewers in exchange for Minor League INF Nick Delmonico."

 

O's 4th best prospect according to BA

 

Delmonico is a decent prospect. Thanks O's, now Janssen rises his value

[fatcowxlive]

Delmonico is a decent prospect. Thanks O's, now Janssen rises his value

 

Package Cecil + Delebar + Janssen to Detroit for big prospect lol

 

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[havok24]

That's a nice return for the Brewers.

[Angrioter]

Package Cecil + Delebar + Janssen to Detroit for big prospect lol

 

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If you want Cecil, Delebar, Janssen in the same deal then you must take s*** from Us. This s*** is called Bonifacio.

[over500]

Delmonico is a decent prospect. Thanks O's, now Janssen rises his value

 

That's if AA is smart enough to trade him, and he's not smart.

[fatcowxlive]

If you want Cecil, Delebar, Janssen in the same deal then you must take s*** from Us. This s*** is called Bonifacio.

 

Cecil + Delebar + Janssen + Bonifacio for Nick Castellanos? lol

[Orgfiller]

Package Cecil + Delebar + Janssen to Detroit for big prospect lol

 

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From what I've heard Detroit's system is pretty terrible, so I don't think that's the best team to get a decent prospect out of, and they are definitely not trading their top prospect for a bunch of relievers.

[Angrioter]

From what I've heard Detroit's system is pretty terrible, so I don't think that's the best team to get a decent prospect out of, and they are definitely not trading their top prospect for a bunch of relievers.

 

Bankruptcy city + Win now mode + Leyland "I Want a closer" = Trade for Janssen or Papelbon

[ElNik2013]

I want AA or AAA prospects in return for any or all of Janssen, Cecil, Delabar, Wagner, Oliver, Loup, Perez.

[ElNik2013]

I'll take any prospects

 

 

Well, for Janssen and Oliver yes, preferably a good low minors prospect. For Cecil and/or Delabar, I'd be more picky because they're cheap.

[wardhenke1]

I want AA or AAA prospects in return for any or all of Janssen, Cecil, Delabar, Wagner, Oliver, Loup, Perez.

 

Add the rest of the team to that list and I'm in. It's a sellers market for f***s sake; this is the time to restock the farm and retool. I don't care about three year windows, this team couldn't win if it were given a 50 year window.

[SAAviour]

Oliver isn't worth the s*** I cleaned off my kids shoe. AA ain't get nothing for him.

[TheHurl]

technically Perez would fit the definition of Org guy as he wasn't added to the 40 man after his 5 years in the minors...and he wasn't picked up in any of the rule 5 drafts. Although with only 2 catchers on their 40 man I'm guessing that he's added next year.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Seriously, they don't need to trade ALL their relievers and create a potential mess for next season. I'd think Delebar

and some middle guys could be traded for value and not hurt the team for 2014. Delebar would be of value to any team

unsure of their closer ( even teams not contending ).

 

If you clear out all your closers all you do is create a huge hole later, and lacking a strong closer actually is one of the

worst attributes a team can have. When we had Gregg and Francisco(?) it was like a gong show out there in the 9th.

[fatcowxlive]

Seriously, they don't need to trade ALL their relievers and create a potential mess for next season. I'd think Delebar

and some middle guys could be traded for value and not hurt the team for 2014. Delebar would be of value to any team

unsure of their closer ( even teams not contending ).

 

If you clear out all your closers all you do is create a huge hole later, and lacking a strong closer actually is one of the

worst attributes a team can have. When we had Gregg and Francisco(?) it was like a gong show out there in the 9th.

 

If we trade all of: Oliver/Cecil/Delebar/Janssen, we are left with:

 

Santos

Loup

Luis Perez

Juan Perez

Wagner

McGowan/Rogers (if they decide to use McGowan as a starter again)

Happ/Romero/Drabek (I think all of them will be out of options next year, and if they aren't traded they could be long men)

 

Plus any FA acquisitions/trade acquisitions we have from August on to March. It looks worse, but if we can replenish the farm, it's worth it.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

If we trade all of: Oliver/Cecil/Delebar/Janssen, we are left with:

 

Santos

Loup

Luis Perez

Juan Perez

Wagner

McGowan/Rogers (if they decide to use McGowan as a starter again)

Happ/Romero/Drabek (I think all of them will be out of options next year, and if they aren't traded they could be long men)

 

Plus any FA acquisitions/trade acquisitions we have from August on to March. It looks worse, but if we can replenish the farm, it's worth it.

 

Seriously, this is a ridiculous idea. Just because you have a surplus doesn't mean you clean house. Although, it is similar to what they did with catchers. How did that turn out ? Arencebia in, Napoli/D'Arnaud/Buck/Mathis/Gomes/... out. If they had kept one of the others, they'd have options beyond Arencebia every game and hope he gets better.

[mitchf]

If we trade all of: Oliver/Cecil/Delebar/Janssen, we are left with:

 

Santos

Loup

Luis Perez

Juan Perez

Wagner

McGowan/Rogers (if they decide to use McGowan as a starter again)

Happ/Romero/Drabek (I think all of them will be out of options next year, and if they aren't traded they could be long men)

 

Plus any FA acquisitions/trade acquisitions we have from August on to March. It looks worse, but if we can replenish the farm, it's worth it.

Casey Janssen has given us 0.9 WAR and by all accounts has been terrific.

 

Let's assume we sign two cast offs named John and Bill Sanchez. Chances are with any luck at all, we're talking about a fraction of a WAR in difference between not having Casey and having Casey.

 

It's just silly to hang on to guys like this when in the past even the BLUE JAYS have managed to pick up a Colby Rasmus for relievers that have since been forgotten. Trade them all, give a bunch of guys a chance and invest in a rotation rather than a bunch of volatile bullpen arms.

[fatcowxlive]

Seriously, this is a ridiculous idea. Just because you have a surplus doesn't mean you clean house. Although, it is similar to what they did with catchers. How did that turn out ? Arencebia in, Napoli/D'Arnaud/Buck/Mathis/Gomes/... out. If they had kept one of the others, they'd have options beyond Arencebia every game and hope he gets better.

 

What if I told you, three of our really 'stand out relievers' were nobody's past the trade deadline last year? Loup appeared late in the 2nd half last year, and before the 2nd half we had Perez (who still has 0 in ERA) and Wagner (who was doing really well). That's about half a bullpen (that's really impressive) made out of nowhere. Brett Cecil, like Jessie Litsch, was a failed starter that thrived as a reliever. Who knows, since Romero (I think) and Drabek are out of options next year, maybe they are converted to relief pitchers if the Jays are scared of losing them to waivers + there's no trade value? Who knows, but relief pitchers, especially Janssen and dem SAVEZZZZZZZZZZZ are worth a lot on the market for really dumn GMs with good young prospects

 

Casey Janssen has given us 0.9 WAR and by all accounts has been terrific.

 

Let's assume we sign two cast offs named John and Bill Sanchez. Chances are with any luck at all, we're talking about a fraction of a WAR in difference between not having Casey and having Casey.

 

It's just silly to hang on to guys like this when in the past even the BLUE JAYS have managed to pick up a Colby Rasmus for relievers that have since been forgotten. Trade them all, give a bunch of guys a chance and invest in a rotation rather than a bunch of volatile bullpen arms.

 

Bingo

[The Cats Ass]

I wanna see 3 trades.

 

Janssen for Gregory Polanco

Cecil for Kolton Wong

Oliver + Davis for Nick Castellanos

 

Or something like that. You can shuffle around which pitchers go where.

[fatcowxlive]

I wanna see 3 trades.

 

Janssen for Gregory Polanco

Cecil for Kolton Wong

Oliver + Davis for Nick Castellanos

 

Or something like that. You can shuffle around which pitchers go where.

 

If we pull these off, I have renewed hope in AA (not a lot of hope, but a bit)

[Dr. Dinger]

 

O's 4th best prospect...... lol @ AA

 

Why are you LOLing @ AA? What does this meaningless trade have to do with us?

[fatcowxlive]

Why are you LOLing @ AA? What does this meaningless trade have to do with us?

 

Because we're not sellers?

[Dr. Dinger]

I still don't see what this meaningless trade has to do with us. It's a tweener prospect for a volatile reliever that any team could have had for free 5 months ago. In all likelihood, K-Rod will regress to a replacement level MRP and Delmonico will never make it. This trade has no bearing on our team, nor do I see a meaningful missed opportunity here.

[Dr. Dinger]

Since you have a crystal ball, any more future revelations you want to let us in on?

[Dr. Dinger]

Anybody who thinks it's worthwhile to trade Janssen for a fringe prospect like Delmonico, please jump in front of a train.

[Angrioter]

Stop smoking pot

 

Relievers for Castellanos/Wong/Polanco is a crazy idea. AA isn't a magician, he's just a fat guy with serious love for the hardthrower relievers.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Casey Janssen has given us 0.9 WAR and by all accounts has been terrific.

 

Let's assume we sign two cast offs named John and Bill Sanchez. Chances are with any luck at all, we're talking about a fraction of a WAR in difference between not having Casey and having Casey.

 

It's just silly to hang on to guys like this when in the past even the BLUE JAYS have managed to pick up a Colby Rasmus for relievers that have since been forgotten. Trade them all, give a bunch of guys a chance and invest in a rotation rather than a bunch of volatile bullpen arms.

 

Apparently some of these new wave stats are pretty useless then. Seriously, lumping in Janssen with the others is foolish anyways. The guy has been an effective pitcher for many years. And please, the cast off reliever for closers plan was tried VERY RECENTLY. It was Gregg/Francisco and the gang, and the team, despite having stronger starting pitching , was a .500 team as well. The fact the "closers" blew around 9 games in the 9th inning in the first two months of the season was pretty much the reason they were out of contention. So we don't have to speculate what this kind of plan might look like, we've already seen it very recently.

 

The closer is one of the most important guys on the team. He may have watered down impact on a bad team, but you can almost never be a playoff team without a good one. Any reasonable plan involves contending in 2014. Anyone here who thinks the Jays need to rebuild now from scratch is absurd.

[jaysblue]

People should get it out of their head - the Jays are not getting Castellanos/Wong/Polanco etc for relievers. I'm laughing my head off on how we should package Janssen and Oliver with Bonafacio for Castellanos.