NBA Thread

[over500]

Ross has a lot more value than MKG around the league.

No he doesn't. Three point shooters with terrible defense are everywhere.

[burlingtonbandit]

1. You're allowed to trade in the NBA. 2. Drummond/JV tandem with one of them coming off the bench would make this team better than a useless wing who can only shoot 3s.

 

Im just saying why they didn't draft him, it was BC after all lets not forget... Wasn't Ross better defensively last season? He's taken a step back this year obviously but he had a reputation for being good on that end of the floor. I didn't get to watch many games last year cuz of work so just asking.

[over500]

Im just saying why they didn't draft him, it was BC after all lets not forget... Wasn't Ross better defensively last season? He's taken a step back this year obviously but he had a reputation for being good on that end of the floor. I didn't get to watch many games last year cuz of work so just asking.

He's never been good defensively. People just assume he's a good defender because of his athleticism, but his lateral movement is pretty bad and his defense against pick and roll has always been atrocious.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Casey needs to rein in Lou. 0/7 from 3 last night and 3/23 from 3 over this losing streak.

 

He's well below 40% shooting since the start of December while playing horrendous defense. He's pretty much just freestyling and doing whatever he wants out there. The ball movement when he and Vasquez are on the floor is just awful. Better shot selection plz.

[burlingtonbandit]

Casey needs to rein in Lou. 0/7 from 3 last night and 3/23 from 3 over this losing streak.

 

He's well below 40% shooting since the start of December while playing horrendous defense. He's pretty much just freestyling and doing whatever he wants out there. The ball movement when he and Vasquez are on the floor is just awful. Better shot selection plz.

 

Add in that Lowry has been bad over this last stretch and its honestly not really a surprise that we have lost 4 in a row. He clearly is worn down from having to do too much. The bad part is GV for the most part has been terrible so you can't really get away with giving Lowry extended breaks. Peole s*** on Casey for his Lowry-GV-Lou lineups but he's clearly doing it to try and give Lowry other guys that can handle the ball and take pressure off him on offence.

 

When you have Lowry-Ross-JJ on the floor, Lowry has the ball in his hands for 90% of the possessions which clearly has taken a toll.

[burlingtonbandit]

Zach Lowe talked Raps on his latest podcast starts around the 36 min mark. Unfortunately he has Eric Koreen on whose voice might be the most annoying you will ever listen to in your life.

 

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=12139761

[SpeedyGose]

Ya I'd trade Ross for MKG.

 

MKG would be a pretty terrible fit for our offense as if. Literally would be 0 spacing

[SpeedyGose]

Zach Lowe talked Raps on his latest podcast starts around the 36 min mark. Unfortunately he has Eric Koreen on whose voice might be the most annoying you will ever listen to in your life.

 

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=12139761

 

lmao he really does. I can't stand listening to him but I enjoy his opinions usually. Sounds like he is constantly sick and plugging his nose at the same time

[SpeedyGose]

Casey needs to rein in Lou. 0/7 from 3 last night and 3/23 from 3 over this losing streak.

 

He's well below 40% shooting since the start of December while playing horrendous defense. He's pretty much just freestyling and doing whatever he wants out there. The ball movement when he and Vasquez are on the floor is just awful. Better shot selection plz.

 

11 fga per game, usage rate of 26% for Lou.

 

Every time he comes in he is the main weapon, where they basically run screens for him and then he waits for the defender to come back around and iso them.

[burlingtonbandit]

lmao he really does. I can't stand listening to him but I enjoy his opinions usually. Sounds like he is constantly sick and plugging his nose at the same time

 

He sounds like Perez Hilton or whoever that TMZ guy is.

[burlingtonbandit]

11 fga per game, usage rate of 26% for Lou.

 

Every time he comes in he is the main weapon, where they basically run screens for him and then he waits for the defender to come back around and iso them.

 

But really its either Lou or GV getting the shots on the 2nd unit. You aren't going to run anything for Psycho T and you can only run so many JJ post ups.

[burlingtonbandit]

Also if you go to 54 min Koreen says exactly what I've been saying about Amir. Guy is criminally underrated by even Raptors fans.

[SpeedyGose]

But really its either Lou or GV getting the shots on the 2nd unit. You aren't going to run anything for Psycho T and you can only run so many JJ post ups.

 

I know but you can run a starter or two with them. A lot of teams will take a starter out after like 4 or 5 minutes so they can run with the bench etc

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Also if you go to 54 min Koreen says exactly what I've been saying about Amir. Guy is criminally underrated by even Raptors fans.

 

I love Amir. If he was getting Tyler's minutes I'd be thrilled. My point is that you cannot compete with him as your starting PF getting 25-28 MPG. He can't move anymore. His effort last night was embarrassing. He seems completely comfortable being an afterthought in the offense and he rarely scores on 2nd chance opportunities anymore.

 

Seems like he's still an effective defender in the block but teams are abusing him when they stretch him out:

 

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/101161/tracking/defense/

[burlingtonbandit]

I love Amir. If he was getting Tyler's minutes I'd be thrilled. My point is that you cannot compete with him as your starting PF getting 25-28 MPG. He can't move anymore. His effort last night was embarrassing. He seems completely comfortable being an afterthought in the offense and he rarely scores on 2nd chance opportunities anymore.

 

Seems like he's still an effective defender in the block but teams are just hurting him when they stretch him out:

 

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/101161/tracking/defense/

 

Your bias of letting a few games dictate your overall though of the player is really evident. I agree he has games where he just "doesn't have it" but his help and rotation defense is crucial to the team's success on that end of the floor. He's not flashy but he is still a really effective player and very efficient on the offensive end.

 

If he doesn't have a good game here or there in the RS so be it, but he is exactly the guy you want and need in the playoffs. I mean Raps would of had no shot in game 7 last year if it weren't for Amir.

[jays_fever]

Your bias of letting a few games dictate your overall though of the player is really evident. I agree he has games where he just "doesn't have it" but his help and rotation defense is crucial to the team's success on that end of the floor. He's not flashy but he is still a really effective player and very efficient on the offensive end.

 

If he doesn't have a good game here or there in the RS so be it, but he is exactly the guy you want and need in the playoffs. I mean Raps would of had no shot in game 7 last year if it weren't for Amir.

 

You really want to count on a guy during the playoffs who can't move at least once a week? Sure he's a great player when healthy but look at how many silly fouls he committed last night because he struggled to move his feet last night. Game 7 last year is actually a perfect example, his legs gave out, fell over on someone and fouled out. He basically died during the playoffs.

 

It's not a bias just a fact. Amir will play a very solid 2 games in a row and then become a non factor when his ankles cramp out.

[GD]

MKG would be a pretty terrible fit for our offense as if. Literally would be 0 spacing

 

lol I just mean MKG is better than Ross

[burlingtonbandit]

You really want to count on a guy during the playoffs who can't move at least once a week? Sure he's a great player when healthy but look at how many silly fouls he committed last night because he struggled to move his feet last night. Game 7 last year is actually a perfect example, his legs gave out, fell over on someone and fouled out. He basically died during the playoffs.

 

It's not a bias just a fact. Amir will play a very solid 2 games in a row and then become a non factor when his ankles cramp out.

 

Well I'm not saying Amir is an all star who is going to save the team. But you can definitely "compete" with him playing 25-28 mins a game. Obviously you wish he would be more consistent but he is not a problem on this team. I mean if you are getting good Amir for 75% of the time that is still better than what you are getting from JV, Ross and GV who seem to have a good game once in a while but still make terrible mistakes.

 

I think if you rest him down the stretch you can get more out of him in the playoffs. I just don't see how you make the team better than it is with Amir on the floor? Like what 4 can the Raptors acquire than will give you more than what Amir does for the team? I just don't see one available..

[jays_fever]

Well I'm not saying Amir is an all star who is going to save the team. But you can definitely "compete" with him playing 25-28 mins a game. Obviously you wish he would be more consistent but he is not a problem on this team. I mean if you are getting good Amir for 75% of the time that is still better than what you are getting from JV, Ross and GV who seem to have a good game once in a while but still make terrible mistakes.

 

I think if you rest him down the stretch you can get more out of him in the playoffs. I just don't see how you make the team better than it is with Amir on the floor? Like what 4 can the Raptors acquire than will give you more than what Amir does for the team? I just don't see one available..

 

I have no idea what 4 will be available at the trade deadline for a package that doesn't weaken our team in the interim. I'm obviously a lot higher on Faried than you are but that's the type of big our team needs. High energy, great rebounder who can score the ball on a low usage and is active on defense even if his 1 on 1 D is only so so.

 

Just no Greg Monroe, Al Jefferson type player

[over500]

I have no idea what 4 will be available at the trade deadline for a package that doesn't weaken our team in the interim. I'm obviously a lot higher on Faried than you are but that's the type of big our team needs. High energy, great rebounder who can score the ball on a low usage and is active on defense even if his 1 on 1 D is only so so.

 

Just no Greg Monroe, Al Jefferson type player

You want to stay away from Faried's contract.

[GD]

You want to stay away from Faried's contract.

 

Yeah, that would really f*** up our flexibility. We need another big though and to severely limit Amir's regular season limits.

 

Wright to PHO for a 1st and Green to MEM for Prince+1st. Celtics making moves.

[burlingtonbandit]

I have no idea what 4 will be available at the trade deadline for a package that doesn't weaken our team in the interim. I'm obviously a lot higher on Faried than you are but that's the type of big our team needs. High energy, great rebounder who can score the ball on a low usage and is active on defense even if his 1 on 1 D is only so so.

 

Just no Greg Monroe, Al Jefferson type player

 

Faried has a TS% of 54% and scores 11.6 PPG on 9.3 FGA. Amir has a TS% of 60% and scores 9.4 PPG on 7 FGA.

 

So now that we have established that Amir is the superior offensive player, Faried only gives you a few more rebounds per game. Now when you take into account Amir on one leg is still the far better defender, I really don't think its a question who the better player is for the team not even including the contract. And when you take into account Farried's contract he is not even a player I would want for free let alone someone you would have to give a pick to get.

 

A Lowry/Derozan/Ross/Faried/JV lineup would be bottom 10 in defense and quite possibly worse. No chance of going anywhere in the playoffs with that.

[jays_fever]

Faried has a TS% of 54% and scores 11.6 PPG on 9.3 FGA. Amir has a TS% of 60% and scores 9.4 PPG on 7 FGA.

 

So now that we have established that Amir is the superior offensive player, Faried only gives you a few more rebounds per game. Now when you take into account Amir on one leg is still the far better defender, I really don't think its a question who the better player is for the team not even including the contract. And when you take into account Farried's contract he is not even a player I would want for free let alone someone you would have to give a pick to get.

 

A Lowry/Derozan/Ross/Faried/JV lineup would be bottom 10 in defense and quite possibly worse. No chance of going anywhere in the playoffs with that.

 

Amir Johnson is a ghost every third game, what don't you get about this? He just had 4 days rest and did nothing all game last night but commit silly fouls because he couldnt move. 2 days on 1 day off isn't something to ever settle for. He's also better than his 54% TS would suggest, he was at close 575 the previous 2 years. Amir is also only going to get worse, 10 years in the NBA is a lot of miles on those legs/ankles for a big man who's already had injury problems. It's pretty laughable that you would actually count on him come playoff time when the game is much more physical.

 

This has nothing to do with Amir's skill level, but the fact that he's falling apart and if we're counting on JV in the playoffs, well then we'll get swept by the Bulls or Cavs

[GD]

Faried isn't breaking down, though. Health is really important.

 

And let's not take into account Faried contract because no one is having that debate. We all understand Faried's contract makes him a negative asset. At similar money, I'd rather have Faried because health, even though Amir is a bit better.

[burlingtonbandit]

Amir Johnson is a ghost every third game, what don't you get about this? He just had 4 days rest and did nothing all game last night but commit silly fouls because he couldnt move. 2 days on 1 day off isn't something to ever settle for. He's also better than his 54% TS would suggest, he was at close 575 the previous 2 years. Amir is also only going to get worse, 10 years in the NBA is a lot of miles on those legs/ankles for a big man who's already had injury problems. It's pretty laughable that you would actually count on him come playoff time when the game is much more physical

 

He may be a ghost once a week but its a fact that he has had a better season than Faried. What don't you get about Faried being not good? He is a plus rebounder and thats it. You can have a guy try hard all you want, but it won't make his defense any better. Lowry/Demar/Ross/Faried/JV is a 5 below average defender lineup. Lowry is a good help defender but if you rely on him as much as the Raps do on offence he isn't going to be able to give you 100% on defense.

 

You can't just plug "x" player into a lineup and think its going to work, you have to look and see if his skillset will fit with the rest of the group. I honestly think JJ would be a better fit at the 4 than Faried would be for this team. Also something I would like to see more often now.

[burlingtonbandit]

Does anyone have ESPN insdier? Saw this Lowry post and curious to see the rest if anyone wants to post it. http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12141574/nba-why-kyle-lowry-best-pg-east?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_KP_BestPGinEast

[dineke]

Damn are we really pining for Faried to save our season? Start the tank already.

 

Anyways, I would rather ride Amir for the rest of the year and then sign Paul Millsap in the off season instead of giving up assets for the right to pay Kenneth Faried 4 years/50 million starting next year.

[GD]

Damn are we really pining for Faried to save our season? Start the tank already.

 

Anyways, I would rather ride Amir for the rest of the year and then sign Paul Millsap in the off season instead of giving up assets for the right to pay Kenneth Faried 4 years/50 million starting next year.

 

Paul Millsap would be nice. Gasol would obviously be better though. I think we're a team that can pry him away. Gasol in Toronto >> Gasol in Memphis.

 

Danny Green would be a nice signing. Or Anthony Morrow. We could use a sharpshooter.

[Orgfiller]

Paul Millsap would be nice. Gasol would obviously be better though. I think we're a team that can pry him away. Gasol in Toronto >> Gasol in Memphis.

 

Danny Green would be a nice signing. Or Anthony Morrow. We could use a sharpshooter.

 

Wait, Marc Gasol is a FA this offseason? Omg waaaaaaaaant.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'd take Gasol in a second. Not only do you get one of the best C in the game but you could then trade JV get get a pretty good player or players back that could help the team. Not sure how realistic that is though. If he leaves Memphis I see the Spurs as the most likely place. I think he would come to Toronto before NY pretty easily but that really doesn't say much lol.