Olerud363 Old-Timey Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 thanks... so AA is going ape s*** over arms again. good thing the jays will never have a need opening for a position player. Why draft position players?? Good guys like Emilio Bonficacio and Rajai Davis are always available cheap.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 So we draft cheap college guys here? rounds 4-10, yes
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 AA strategy Draft high ceiling HS arms, develop and then trade them for crappy veterans.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 Boyd spent his first three years at Oregon State as a reliever, but is starting for the first time as a senior after not signing with the Cincinnati Reds, who took him in the 2012 Draft. As a starter, he's shown the ability to mix four pitches well, all of which could be Major League average as he develops them. Big, strong and durable, he throws his fastball, curve, slider and changeup around the plate consistently and varies his arm slot to give hitters different looks. A team that takes Boyd can give him the chance to remain as a starter, knowing that he had success as a lower-angle lefty reliever in the past. Good pick. A discount guy that actually has talent.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Blue Jays - Matt Boyd Appeared the first s*** of 5K dollars.
ace3113 Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Perfect Game: PROSPECT ON THE RISE: Matt Boyd, lhp, Oregon State. While the state's top prospect, Ryon Healy, has finally harnessed his big raw power this spring, scouts have been expecting it to show up more often in games for some time. Boyd finally being healthy and even taking a step forward in terms of stuff after coming back for his senior season and successfully moving from the bullpen into a starting role has him climbing up draft boards. MATT BOYD, lhp, Oregon State (Sr.) After a solid but unspectacular three year career out of the Beavers bullpen, Boyd was a 13th round pick last year. He ultimately decided to pass on starting his pro career, and it's a gamble that appears likely to pay off. Boyd began his transition from the bullpen to the starting rotation in the Cape Cod League last summer and after being an All-Star in that role with Orleans last year he has carried that momentum over into the spring. So far this spring he's nearly struck out a batter per inning (82 strikeouts through 86 1/3 innings) and has been stingy on issuing free passes (just 19 walks). While he doesn't have the overpowering stuff to be a frontline starter longterm, his improved performance out of the starting role and advanced pitchability make a mid-to-late rotation starter seem like a realistic possibility. As a result he could jump as high as ten rounds higher than where he was picked a year ago as a junior.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 PG report...they had him ranked 124 (ahead of Hollon) 124. MATT BOYD, lhp, Oregon State (Sr.) After a solid but unspectacular three year career out of the Beavers bullpen, Boyd was a 13th round pick last year. He ultimately decided to pass on starting his pro career, and it's a gamble that appears likely to pay off. Boyd began his transition from the bullpen to the starting rotation in the Cape Cod League last summer and after being an All-Star in that role with Orleans last year he has carried that momentum over into the spring. So far this spring he's nearly struck out a batter per inning (82 strikeouts through 86 1/3 innings) and has been stingy on issuing free passes (just 19 walks). While he doesn't have the overpowering stuff to be a frontline starter longterm, his improved performance out of the starting role and advanced pitchability make a mid-to-late rotation starter seem like a realistic possibility. As a result he could jump as high as ten rounds higher than where he was picked a year ago as a junior.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 It's great that they have Jim Callis at the table today, he's adding a lot of actual insight. It's amazing how much better Mayo is getting. Yesterday he sounded brilliant as he was surrounded by idiots, today he's smart enough to back off on most convos.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 It's amazing how much better Mayo is getting. Yesterday he sounded brilliant as he was surrounded by idiots, today he's smart enough to back off on most convos. Yesterday Mayo would say something and then he'd get cut off by the idiots, they wouldn't let him air his full scouting report on anyone. Callis literally knows a thousand draft prospects and has stuff to say about all of them. Mayo reads off his computer, isn't quite there. Agree 10000%
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Astros hired Goldstein Fired Brian Parker and hired Jim Callis
ace3113 Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Mayo had Boyd in his top 100 draft prospect 72 overall Matt Boyd, LHP, 6'3 215, Oregon State Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 5/5| Curve 4/5 | Slider: 4/5 | Changeup: 4/5 | Control: 4/5 | Overall: 4/5 Boyd spent his first three years at Oregon State as a reliever, but is starting for the first time as a senior after not signing with the Cincinnati Reds, who took him in the 2012 Draft. As a starter, he's shown the ability to mix four pitches well, all of which could be Major League average as he develops them. Big, strong and durable, he throws his fastball, curve, slider and changeup around the plate consistently and varies his arm slot to give hitters different looks. A team that takes Boyd can give him the chance to remain as a starter, knowing that he had success as a lower-angle lefty reliever in the past.
ace3113 Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 CONNER GREENE, rhp, Santa Monica HS While he can run his fastball up into the low-90s right now, the interest in Greene is more based on his long term projection rather than his present stuff. He has a quick, clean arm action and a lanky frame with room to fill, and he creates a good downhill plane to his pitches. His curveball has good 12-to-6 shape and above average present spin rate in the mid-70s, though he lacks the present feel to avoid making occasional mistakes with hanging it over the plate. He's also working on a splitter as a change of pace pitch, though that too is still a work in progress. He's the kind of projection arm who could take off under the tutelage of the right player development system.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 48th ranked out of California by PG 48. CONNER GREENE, rhp, Santa Monica HS While he can run his fastball up into the low-90s right now, the interest in Greene is more based on his long term projection rather than his present stuff. He has a quick, clean arm action and a lanky frame with room to fill, and he creates a good downhill plane to his pitches. His curveball has good 12-to-6 shape and above average present spin rate in the mid-70s, though he lacks the present feel to avoid making occasional mistakes with hanging it over the plate. He's also working on a splitter as a change of pace pitch, though that too is still a work in progress. He's the kind of projection arm who could take off under the tutelage of the right player development system. Southern Nevada commit.
BarrysSyringe Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 48th ranked out of California by PG 48. CONNER GREENE, rhp, Santa Monica HS While he can run his fastball up into the low-90s right now, the interest in Greene is more based on his long term projection rather than his present stuff. He has a quick, clean arm action and a lanky frame with room to fill, and he creates a good downhill plane to his pitches. His curveball has good 12-to-6 shape and above average present spin rate in the mid-70s, though he lacks the present feel to avoid making occasional mistakes with hanging it over the plate. He's also working on a splitter as a change of pace pitch, though that too is still a work in progress. He's the kind of projection arm who could take off under the tutelage of the right player development system. Southern Nevada commit. Really thought the jays were gonna go get some bats in the draft this year. High upside pitchers are still available throughout the draft but good hitters are hard to come by this late. On a positional standpoint i am somewhat disappointed on how the jays have drafted
TheHurl Site Manager Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 Remember how many people wanted Trey Williams last year.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 Only other team to take all pitchers so far...the Detroit Tigers (albeit 6 college ones after Crawford in the 1st). Funny how much I've compared the two front offices of late.
imsorry4beatinU Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 we aren't punting any picks? we bluffed everyone last year with our strategy and then switched it up this year?
TheHurl Site Manager Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 Sorry the Angels have all pitchers too.
imsorry4beatinU Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 I think we saved money taking guys who have high upside but had injuries. They will go underslot and we will have more money for later round guys like Conner Greene
BarrysSyringe Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 I think we saved money taking guys who have high upside but had injuries. They will go underslot and we will have more money for later round guys like Conner Greene All these highschoolers that fell due to injuries could also not sign and try and prove themselves for next years draft to get more money so im not sure we will be signing many of these kids for under slot value
ace3113 Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Jays take Kendall Graveman. KENDAL GRAVEMAN, rhp, Mississippi State University With 62 college seniors drafted in the first 10 rounds last year under the revised rules of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement, Graveman is a logical candidate to be scooped up in the top 5-8 rounds this year if form holds. The 6-foot-2, 190-pound righthander does not have overpowering stuff, but has enjoyed a solid senior season for the Bulldogs, going 5-3, 2.06 with 15 walks and 44 strikeouts in 66 innings. He has been a ground-ball machine with the excellent sinking action he generates on his 88-92 mph fastball, and beat Louisiana State and Arkansas, two of the nation’s top college teams this spring, with 18 and 17 ground-ball outs, respectively. Graveman has an acute sense of working to his strengths and is not afraid to pitch to contact, and excels by throwing consistent strikes with his sinker, change and slider. He also helps his own cause by being an excellent fielding pitcher.
theblujay Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 I like Boyd. He could be a McGuire or Jenkins type but instead of being drafted in the first, he was drafted much later.
DuckDuckGose Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Really thought the jays were gonna go get some bats in the draft this year. High upside pitchers are still available throughout the draft but good hitters are hard to come by this late. On a positional standpoint i am somewhat disappointed on how the jays have drafted I don't know much about him but Greene reminds me of Nicolino. He has a good pitchers frame that is incredibly lanky and has some projection, very repeatable delivery and good movement on his secondaries. Shocked AA still hasn't grabbed a bat yet though.
theblujay Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Jays take Kendall Graveman. KENDAL GRAVEMAN, rhp, Mississippi State University With 62 college seniors drafted in the first 10 rounds last year under the revised rules of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement, Graveman is a logical candidate to be scooped up in the top 5-8 rounds this year if form holds. The 6-foot-2, 190-pound righthander does not have overpowering stuff, but has enjoyed a solid senior season for the Bulldogs, going 5-3, 2.06 with 15 walks and 44 strikeouts in 66 innings. He has been a ground-ball machine with the excellent sinking action he generates on his 88-92 mph fastball, and beat Louisiana State and Arkansas, two of the nation’s top college teams this spring, with 18 and 17 ground-ball outs, respectively. Graveman has an acute sense of working to his strengths and is not afraid to pitch to contact, and excels by throwing consistent strikes with his sinker, change and slider. He also helps his own cause by being an excellent fielding pitcher. So basically Chad Jenkins jr.
ace3113 Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Kendall Graveman 6'02" 190lbs DOB: 12/21/90 Graveman has capably moved to the front of the Mississippi State rotation to fill the void left by the departure of Chris Stratton, a 2012 first-round selection. Graveman was a 36th-round pick himself a year ago, but returned to school for his senior year. He uses a sinker-changeup combination to produce plenty of groundouts. Graveman's fastball sits in the upper-80s with heavy sinking action and his changeup is a solid offering. Graveman throws a curveball as well, but it is a below-average pitch. Graveman has good command and has proven to be durable in college, which should make him a solid senior sign.
DuckDuckGose Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 I like Boyd. He could be a McGuire or Jenkins type but instead of being drafted in the first, he was drafted much later. If AA is going to get those guys it's much better he targets them in the 6th instead of the 8th.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Kendall Graveman In spanish = Kendall badly wounded
ace3113 Verified Member Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 So basically Chad Jenkins jr. Minus the 1mm+ bonus. I hope we svae some money from these injured guys and senior signs to take a flier on a guy like Jeremy Martinez or Nick Longhi after the 10th round and try to sign them. Based on my calculations there's approximately 1.8mm in bonus money allocated from the 4th to 10th round (+5% overage). If we save 500-800k that would be huge in getting a "name" guy later.
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