Romero Update

[LGBJ29]

Ricky Romero failed to escape the first inning for triple-A Buffalo on Monday evening, allowing eight earned runs on five hits and three walks in two-thirds of an inning in an 11-7 loss at Durham

 

Stick a fork in him

[JaysAllMighty]

Stick a fork in him

 

Yep, it's almost at that point. Prime example of why not so give mega bucks to a player that hasn't really proven himself. Now Jays wasted a ton of money on him. He's a write off.

[Arkadium]

Ricky Romero failed to escape the first inning for triple-A Buffalo on Monday evening, allowing eight earned runs on five hits and three walks in two-thirds of an inning in an 11-7 loss at Durham

 

Stick a fork in him

 

There's nothing physically wrong with him. He needs a psychologist. It's a joke that they kept trying to change his mechanics when the guy was already a successful pitcher for basically 3 seasons.

[Anemic0ffense]

This is borderline tragic what happened to this guy... He had some pretty solid stuff in his good seasons... A 92-94 FB (which reached 95 at times), and a deadly curve... He never was a control pitcher, but man I'm just baffled at how quickly this guy has become this abysmal

[Slade]

We have to pay him for 2 more seasons after this year so all we can do is hope he works his mental issues out.

[Errorcebia]

There's nothing physically wrong with him. He needs a psychologist. It's a joke that they kept trying to change his mechanics when the guy was already a successful pitcher for basically 3 seasons.

 

He gained weight, he cant repeat his delivery, and his ankles are wonky. He is the one who changed his mechanics.

[Errorcebia]

#IBelongInTheMajorLeagues

[G-Snarls]

Wow I feel bad for him

 

What a disaster

 

Only a modest chance he's ever an effective major league pitcher again

[GD]

Only a modest chance he's ever an effective major league pitcher again

 

I wouldn't even say modest at this point.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Career is over.

 

What a fall from grace. Maybe the only Jay to fall farther than AA!

[Slade]

I wouldn't say his career is over, people were saying the same thing about Cecil for the past 2 years and now most people are riding his dick.

 

It's a slim chance that he pulls his s*** together but a chance none the less.

[BlueJayWay]

Romero is far worse now than Cecil ever was.

[JugglingPitches]

I said mid way through last season he was done. He had a sense of entitlement, same as Lawrie does, same as JP. They're screwing around on Twitter all winter when they should be working their asses off to get better. Romero may have been the worst of them all...making the all star team probably didn't do him any favors. You could see his attitude shift from "I have to work hard" to "alright, I made it, now I can relax and enjoy it."

 

Did him in. If the Jays ever come to their senses and send JP down to AAA, he would react the same way as Romero -- "what the hell? I'm a #top10catcher in the major leagues, I don't belong in the minors" and he would sulk himself into terrible season in the minors and we'd never see him again.

 

I don't know how players with these attitudes get drafted. Shouldn't they be interviewed before the Jays draft them? Can they not detect this attitude? I can SEE it in body language...mind you it's what I do for a living...but AA made a conscious effort to take on other teams' problem players. Escobar, Cabrera (only one who's worked out so far), Lawrie, Rasmus, etc...other teams dumped them for a reason. I don't think the problem on this team is talent, it's character.

[Deadpool]

Dontrelle Willis 2.0? (No, he wasn't ever as good as Willis was in his prime, that's not what I'm implying.)

[kgm1]

Dontrelle Willis 2.0? (No, he wasn't ever as good as Willis was in his prime, that's not what I'm implying.)

 

 

Willis lost his velocity , Romero still has good stuff ,no command , Rick Ankiel like . The jays have really mishandled this . for a guy struggling with his confidence this the perfect way to screw it right up permanently .

[Angrioter]

romero still having the same stuff.

 

iftfy

[Kingvikingstad]

I think that as soon as he reaches "rock bottom" there's a chance that he wakes up and works his ass off to try and make it back. Sadly, I don't think he's reached rock bottom even yet. He needs to realize that pouting about being a major leaguer and where he belongs is useless and the only way is to prove it. My guess is that it happens this offseason or after they shut him down with some phantom injury and give him some time to think and work on himself. I'd give it a year before we start to see some improvement.

[sachmo55]

Romero still has good stuff

 

I've read a few people say that, but in his 2 starts this season (I know, SSS), he's averaged 2-3 mph less on his pitches than in 2011.

 

The arms speed might just not be there anymore, and he could be trying too hard to overcompensate (more effort in delivery, and thus losing control)

[GD]

I hated everything else he said, but John Farrell nailed it once with the "Where's that tough kid from East LA?"

[Randy The Robot]

Willis lost his velocity , Romero still has good stuff ,no command , Rick Ankiel like . The jays have really mishandled this . for a guy struggling with his confidence this the perfect way to screw it right up permanently .

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Lol at comparing Romero to Ankiel. Ankiel was a once in a generation talent, Romero was a #4/5 playing above his talent.

[Deadpool]

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Lol at comparing Romero to Ankiel. Ankiel was a once in a generation talent, Romero was a #4/5 playing above his talent.

 

His 4 years of pitching he put up a combined 3.5 WAR. He was a greatly hyped prospect who failed at the MLB level long term, like... Y'know... Most of them. RR Cool Jay (which is awesomely listed as his nickname on b-r.com, and for which I can't help but feel partially responsible.) had a 6.3 WAR in 2011 alone.

[GD]

His 4 years of pitching he put up a combined 3.5 WAR. He was a greatly hyped prospect who failed at the MLB level long term, like... Y'know... Most of them. RR Cool Jay (which is awesomely listed as his nickname on b-r.com, and for which I can't help but feel partially responsible.) had a 6.3 WAR in 2011 alone.

 

This is why I don't like B-R. Their WAR formula for pitchers uses RA/9 or something to that effect, whereas fangraphs uses the more effective FIP. With a 4.20 FIP, Romeo's 2011 doesn't look as pretty with a 2.4 fWAR.

 

Romero > Ankiel (not talent imo but in terms of results, at least), but don't like the referencing of brWAR for pitchers. Just a nitpick I guess.

[JaysFan4Ever]

It's sad to see the fall of Romero. He was never an ace but he was at least a decent end of the rotation pitcher. He needs to head back to Single-A and be completely rebuilt a la Halladay. I doubt he'll ever be more than an end of the rotation guy but he's finished at this rate. Break him down and rebuild him. Like someone mentioned rock bottom might be the thing that either breaks him completely or helps him realize he needs to remake himself. It has to be mental with him. He seems to get into a jam and just makes it worse.

[Deadpool]

This is why I don't like B-R. Their WAR formula for pitchers uses RA/9 or something to that effect, whereas fangraphs uses the more effective FIP. With a 4.20 FIP, Romeo's 2011 doesn't look as pretty with a 2.4 fWAR.

 

Romero > Ankiel (not talent imo but in terms of results, at least), but don't like the referencing of brWAR for pitchers. Just a nitpick I guess.

 

*shrug* at least I was comparing apples to apples... I was just already on b-r at the time.

[Randy The Robot]

nm...

[GD]

Romero peak > Ankiel peak in fWAR

[Randy The Robot]

Romero peak > Ankiel peak in fWAR

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Ankiel pitched one year.....at age 20 and was able to contribute a season that was similar to Romero's best....at age 26. Not sure what you're trying to say.

[GD]

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Ankiel pitched one year.....at age 20 and was able to contribute a season that was similar to Romero's best....at age 26. Not sure what you're trying to say.

 

It was a fairly average season and you called him a generational talent.

[Randy The Robot]

It was a fairly average season and you called him a generational talent.

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Which he was regarded as by scouts. Southpaw with a high 90's fastball with great movement and a ridiculous curve. And at the age of 20, in a league prominently dominated by hitters, the season Ankiel put up was terrific.

[Deadpool]

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Which he was regarded as by scouts. Southpaw with a high 90's fastball with great movement and a ridiculous curve. And at the age of 20, in a league prominently dominated by hitters, the season Ankiel put up was terrific.

 

Yeah, scouts say that kind of thing all the time about prospects, and almost all of them fail... It's not really uncommon for a can't miss prospect to flame out huge.